| Benboz |
Captain Yesterday, I'm intrigued, but don't have access to a copy without buying it. Could you give me any more info about what's in there which would work?
Just a Mort, thanks for the suggestion! Shelyn seems perfect, but I've heard there are restrictions on killing, since even evil creatures have the potential to become beautiful. If that's the case, I'm concerned it could be problematic gameplay-wise.
Just to elaborate on my original question, I want to play this character as a paragon of generosity, compassion, honesty, and all that good stuff. So the intent is definitely not to get around those aspects of the Paladin code.
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Arshea isn't as much of a partier as one might think - her focus lies elsewhere. Still, if nothing else appears, she'll do.
That said, all of the empyreal lords are listed in Inner Sea Gods as well (albeit in much less detail). I searched for the Revelry subdomain. Most of what I found was CG, but there was one...
Look up Halcamora, Lady of Lush Beauty; the empyreal lord of gardens, orchards, and wine. She's known to go visiting other empyreal lords with a jug of wine at her elbow. While she has little hatred in her heart, she despises insectoid fiends, making her a natural fit for paladins who oppose the Worldwound (and its master, Deskari).
I hope this helps. ^_^
Lyric the Singing Paladin
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Try Shelyn. You could be singing and dancing all day long like Lyric
"I'm famous!"
Just so you know, I can kill evil things that are hurting people. I battled a sixth level demon when I was third level and won. I'm merciful to those who can be saved, but if they can't, I'll smite their asses.
I just don't kill evil things automatically. I've been a goblin baby sitter. I've drunk beer with giants and trolls.
I love Lyric!
| The Shaman |
Well, he has the Chevalier PrC essentially designed for him, so I am not sure it is necessary. Is the OP set on a paladin or would a warpriest or cleric/sacred vindicator work?
Halcamora is an interesting optiontoo, I have to say. I wish Gods of the Inner Sea would come on sale soon, I am on a tight budget and delivery costs are somewhat high.
| alexd1976 |
alexd1976 wrote:Just beg your GM to allow a Paladin of Cayden Cailean, he's perfect...Chaotic Good is just a tad too removed from Lawful Good for that to fly.
Hence the begging.
Also, ARE Paladins required to pick gods the same way as Clerics? I thought they could just worship whomever they please... just need to maintain their own LG alignment...
| alexd1976 |
To be a follower of a deity, you need to be within one step of that deity's alignment. So for home games, you could definitely house rule Cayden Cailean. For PFS and games with a more strict rules adherence, it's a no-go.
Hmm
I know it works that way for Clerics... but I don't see anything similar for Paladins...
I'm not saying you're wrong, but do you have a citation?
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To be a follower of a deity, you need to be within one step of that deity's alignment. So for home games, you could definitely house rule Cayden Cailean. For PFS and games with a more strict rules adherence, it's a no-go.
Unlike alexd1976, I am saying you're wrong: You're wrong.
Sorry to be rude, but this is one of the deity misconceptions that frustrates me the most.
Under the standard Pathfinder rules, the only characters whose alignments must be within one step of their deities' are clerics, inquisitors, and warpriests.
For anyone else, there is no such rule. Commoners, fighters, oracles, paladins, whatever. You can worship who you want to worship and have the alignment you want to have.
Paladins have problems with worshiping evil deities because of their code prevents association with those deities except for the purpose of fighting a greater evil. But chaotic good, true neutral, and chaotic neutral are perfectly fine.
PFS just has a house rule to the contrary.
| alexd1976 |
Hmm wrote:To be a follower of a deity, you need to be within one step of that deity's alignment. So for home games, you could definitely house rule Cayden Cailean. For PFS and games with a more strict rules adherence, it's a no-go.Unlike alexd1976, I am saying you're wrong: You're wrong.
Sorry to be rude, but this is one of the deity misconceptions that frustrates me the most.
Under the standard Pathfinder rules, the only characters whose alignments must be within one step of their deities' are clerics, inquisitors, and warpriests.
For anyone else, there is no such rule. Commoners, fighters, oracles, paladins, whatever. You can worship who you want to worship and have the alignment you want to have.
Paladins have problems with worshiping evil deities because of their code prevents association with those deities except for the purpose of fighting a greater evil. But chaotic good, true neutral, and chaotic neutral are perfectly fine.
PFS just has a house rule to the contrary.
So unless it's for PFS, you can go Cayden! The party god! :D
| Brain in a Jar |
Avoron wrote:So unless it's for PFS, you can go Cayden! The party god! :DHmm wrote:To be a follower of a deity, you need to be within one step of that deity's alignment. So for home games, you could definitely house rule Cayden Cailean. For PFS and games with a more strict rules adherence, it's a no-go.Unlike alexd1976, I am saying you're wrong: You're wrong.
Sorry to be rude, but this is one of the deity misconceptions that frustrates me the most.
Under the standard Pathfinder rules, the only characters whose alignments must be within one step of their deities' are clerics, inquisitors, and warpriests.
For anyone else, there is no such rule. Commoners, fighters, oracles, paladins, whatever. You can worship who you want to worship and have the alignment you want to have.
Paladins have problems with worshiping evil deities because of their code prevents association with those deities except for the purpose of fighting a greater evil. But chaotic good, true neutral, and chaotic neutral are perfectly fine.
PFS just has a house rule to the contrary.
Why would anyone LG worship a CG god?
Seems like a clashing of personality from a role-playing perspective.| Smitherman |
Well, he has the Chevalier PrC essentially designed for him, so I am not sure it is necessary. Is the OP set on a paladin or would a warpriest or cleric/sacred vindicator work?
Halcamora is an interesting optiontoo, I have to say. I wish Gods of the Inner Sea would come on sale soon, I am on a tight budget and delivery costs are somewhat high.
Paladins have to worship a deity that is within one step of Lawful good in order to receive divine spells.
| Xethik |
I'm seeing a lot of posts about Paladins needing be to be within one step vs not and back and forth. To clarify in hopefully one post.
In PFS, if your character worhips a deity, you must be within one step of it. This is regardless of your class choices. In Golarion in general, it is assumed that you are within one step of your deity for a deity that you worship (James Jacobs has said this many times). If you are NOT playing PFS but still in Golarion - stricly speaking - you CAN worship a deity that is not within one step, it just might not last or be a good idea.
In the Pathfinder RPG, you can worship a deity without being within one step, unless you are a Cleric, Warpriest, or Inquisitor. These classes must select a deity or a concept to worship. Paladin is not included on that list but are always LG.
| Brain in a Jar |
The Shaman wrote:Paladins have to worship a deity that is within one step of Lawful good in order to receive divine spells.Well, he has the Chevalier PrC essentially designed for him, so I am not sure it is necessary. Is the OP set on a paladin or would a warpriest or cleric/sacred vindicator work?
Halcamora is an interesting optiontoo, I have to say. I wish Gods of the Inner Sea would come on sale soon, I am on a tight budget and delivery costs are somewhat high.
This is true in the Golarion Campaign Setting. Otherwise they don't even need a god.
| Athaleon |
alexd1976 wrote:Avoron wrote:So unless it's for PFS, you can go Cayden! The party god! :DHmm wrote:To be a follower of a deity, you need to be within one step of that deity's alignment. So for home games, you could definitely house rule Cayden Cailean. For PFS and games with a more strict rules adherence, it's a no-go.Unlike alexd1976, I am saying you're wrong: You're wrong.
Sorry to be rude, but this is one of the deity misconceptions that frustrates me the most.
Under the standard Pathfinder rules, the only characters whose alignments must be within one step of their deities' are clerics, inquisitors, and warpriests.
For anyone else, there is no such rule. Commoners, fighters, oracles, paladins, whatever. You can worship who you want to worship and have the alignment you want to have.
Paladins have problems with worshiping evil deities because of their code prevents association with those deities except for the purpose of fighting a greater evil. But chaotic good, true neutral, and chaotic neutral are perfectly fine.
PFS just has a house rule to the contrary.
Why would anyone LG worship a CG god?
Seems like a clashing of personality from a role-playing perspective.
It's perfectly fine for a man to have more rules for himself than his religion demands, especially a Paladin who needs only adhere to a code of conduct which might be handed down from a religion, a direct revelation, a knightly order, a philosophy, or just made up.
Going the other way around (strict religion, lax personal conduct) would cause problems.
| Brain in a Jar |
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Brain in a Jar wrote:alexd1976 wrote:Avoron wrote:So unless it's for PFS, you can go Cayden! The party god! :DHmm wrote:To be a follower of a deity, you need to be within one step of that deity's alignment. So for home games, you could definitely house rule Cayden Cailean. For PFS and games with a more strict rules adherence, it's a no-go.Unlike alexd1976, I am saying you're wrong: You're wrong.
Sorry to be rude, but this is one of the deity misconceptions that frustrates me the most.
Under the standard Pathfinder rules, the only characters whose alignments must be within one step of their deities' are clerics, inquisitors, and warpriests.
For anyone else, there is no such rule. Commoners, fighters, oracles, paladins, whatever. You can worship who you want to worship and have the alignment you want to have.
Paladins have problems with worshiping evil deities because of their code prevents association with those deities except for the purpose of fighting a greater evil. But chaotic good, true neutral, and chaotic neutral are perfectly fine.
PFS just has a house rule to the contrary.
Why would anyone LG worship a CG god?
Seems like a clashing of personality from a role-playing perspective.
It's perfectly fine for a man to have more rules for himself than his religion demands, especially a Paladin who needs only adhere to a code of conduct which might be handed down from a religion, a knightly order, a philosophy, or just made up.
Going the other way around (strict religion, lax personal conduct) would cause problems.
It just seems more like lip service than actual worship.
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In a polytheistic setting the paladin can be a pantheist, praying to and propitiating different deities that have to do with your situation. A neutral character can raise a toast to Cayden during a festival, say a prayer to Erastil on a harvest ceremony, give thanks to Pharasma for the birth of a child and call to Gorum to give him courage in a war. For most characters, not favoring one deity over another is quite possible, although I think Alhazra is the only iconic character to be described as such.
However, I am not sure this works for paladins, who in the Golarion material are described to have a specific connection and a code depending on the deity that empowers them. I have not seen any paladin codes for deities that are not LG, NG or LN, and the dogma of any deity of another alignment may be a bit too different from the paladin's code for this to work. That said, if your DM is okay with cobbling together a paladin code for Pharasma or Cayden and gives you the green light to try it out, no problem.
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Follow up post: I went with Halcamora, godess of wine. And, it's been great. The character is very fun to play, and I've had no problems justifying his party hard leanings because of his hard drinking deity. I bought the Chronicle of the Righteous PDF, which was cheap, from Paizo. While the source book really doesn't have much else which is useful for me, it did allow me to print the page about Halcamora (watermarked with my Pathfinder number) and attach it to the character sheet, which is very convenient. I play Pathfinder Society, so this was pretty much a requirement, and as I've said, it worked out very well. Thanks to all for your advice.
| alexd1976 |
Follow up post: I went with Halcamora, godess of wine. And, it's been great. The character is very fun to play, and I've had no problems justifying his party hard leanings because of his hard drinking deity. I bought the Chronicle of the Righteous PDF, which was cheap, from Paizo. While the source book really doesn't have much else which is useful for me, it did allow me to print the page about Halcamora (watermarked with my Pathfinder number) and attach it to the character sheet, which is very convenient. I play Pathfinder Society, so this was pretty much a requirement, and as I've said, it worked out very well. Thanks to all for your advice.
Good to hear you found something that works for you! Party on!
:D