The Paladin Class Deck version of Seelah has the following power in the Faith Healer role:
"[ ] When a character at your location does not defeat a non-villain bane he encounters, you may recharge a card to put that bane on top of your location deck."
Can this power be used when another character evades a bane?
The ruling for evasion only specifies:
"Shuffle it back into the deck; it is neither defeated nor undefeated, and the encounter is over."
So in this case an evaded bane would still be considered not defeated for the purpose of her power correct? Since it does not use the keyword undefeated to describe the bane that can be relocated?
I'd say yes, it applies to evaded banes. Some barriers use "not defeated" to signify both undefeated and evaded together.
"[ ] When a character at your location does not defeat a non-villain bane he encounters, you may recharge a card to put that bane on top of your location deck."
Is it just me, or this wording also suggests you can add summoned cards to your location deck? (If someone asks, I'd imagine you'd want to do it with a Goblin Keelhaulin', for example...)
After evading a summoned card or resolving the encounter with it, never put it anywhere other than back in the box unless the card that caused you to summon it instructs you otherwise.
Never always wins, at least in the rulebook. :)
My understanding is an evaded bane is not actually encountered. You don't do the "before you act" actions, after all.
An evaded bane is encountered, by virtue of the fact that evading it is part of the steps of encountering it. This was something that was a little confusing in the terminology used in Rise of the Runelords. But in more recent sets it has become clear:
Apply Any Effects That Happen When You Encounter a Card. If any
powers on the card you’re encountering say they’re triggered when you encounter the card, they take effect at this time. You may also use powers or cards that state they can be used when you encounter a card.
Apply Any Evasion Effects. You may use a power or card that lets you evade the card you’re encountering. If any powers on the card you’re encountering relate to evading the card, they take effect at this time. If you evade the card, do not activate any other powers on it. Shuffle it back into the deck; it is neither defeated nor undefeated, and the encounter is over.
Evading happens after you apply thing that happen when you encounter the card. But, what stops BYA/AYA and such from happening is the phrase "If you evade the card, do not activate any other powers on it." At the time you evade it you haven't gotten to the BYA step. You are instructed to NOT activate the BYA powers.
So, yes, if you evade a card you don't apply BYA powers. But the card still counts as encountered. This is why you can't evade a Blessing of the Gods for example.
**For historical reference, see these threads related to Rise of the Runelords:
Thread 1
Thread 2
Mike said this. And Vic confirmed with this. So, if a BYA thing relates to evading, pretend it activates "When you encounter" instead.
Mike said this. And Vic confirmed with this. So, if a BYA thing relates to evading, pretend it activates "When you encounter" instead.
Actually it activates in the "Apply Evasion Effects" step.
Apply Any Evasion Effects. You may use a power or card that lets you evade the card you’re encountering. If any powers on the card you’re encountering relate to evading the card, they take effect at this time. If you evade the card, do not activate any other powers on it. Shuffle it back into the deck; it is neither defeated nor undefeated, and the encounter is over.
So my assessment is correct then? Since the evaded bane is still encountered, Faith Healer Seelah can indeed pull evaded bane's to the top of her location deck?
Edit:
Or is it supposed to read that it only applies to 'undefeated' banes?
Also, I just now actually realized the ability doesn't relocate banes, it just keeps them at the top of the deck. The wording talking about putting them at her location makes it seems like she is moving them despite the ability only working on characters at her location.
No, because Parody is still right, the "never" part of the rulebook trumps Seelah's power.
RULES: THE GOLDEN RULE
If a card and this rulebook are ever in conflict, the card should be considered correct. There is one exception to this: When the rulebook uses the word “never,” no card can overrule it. If cards conflict with one another, then Adventure Path cards overrule adventures, adventures overrule scenarios, scenarios overrule locations, locations overrule support cards, support cards overrule characters, and characters overrule other card types. Despite this hierarchy, if one card tells that you cannot do something and another card tells you that you can, comply with the card that tells you that you cannot; if a card tells you to ignore something, the thing you’re ignoring never has any effect. If a card instructs you to do something impossible, like draw a card from an empty deck, ignore that instruction.
As noted above, the cards override the rulebook, with the one exception that when the rulebook says "never no card can override it. And the rules about summoned cards says never, as Parody quoted...
After evading a summoned card or resolving the encounter with it, never put it anywhere other than back in the box unless the card that caused you to summon it instructs you otherwise.
So it still goes back to the box.
I'm not asking about summoned banes though. I'm talking about if a character encounters a bane at a location and then evades it.
Oh. Then yeah, it applies to evaded ones too. "Not defeated" includes both "undefeated" and "evaded" since evaded banes are neither defeated nor undefeated (or said another way they are not defeated). And evaded banes are definitely encountered.