Do Encumbrance and Armor Check Penalty apply in PFS?

[Christopher Rowe]

Jeff Merola wrote:

BigNorseWolf wrote:

Armor Check Penalty: Any armor heavier than leather, as well as any shield, applies an armor check penalty to all Dexterity- and Strength-based skill checks. A character's encumbrance may also incur an armor check penalty.

I was wondering why i'd never seen an armor check penalty to init. :)

Er, Cao Phen is right. Page 150 is what he quoted from, and does indeed state both ability and skill checks if you're not proficient. Initiative is a dexterity based ability check.

Right, and just to make it all official-like, almost that exact wording is used in the discussion of Initiative at p. 178 of the Core Rulebook, where it says, "An initiative check is a Dexterity check."

[andreww]

Cao Phen wrote:

Unless you changed your Initiative modifier from Dexterity to Charisma, you get a Penalty to initiative because of nonproficency.

I am well aware and Noble Scion of War handles that nicely.

[Cao Phen]

It help those who are considering just running a cleric in Full Plate. =)

As for the feat, I think thaat the Scion of War is one of the few feats or abilities that changes the ability score to something other than DEX.

[Chess Pwn]

You need to look at the next section.

Nonproficient with Armor Worn: A character who wears armor and/or uses a shield with which he is not proficient takes the armor's (and/or shield's) armor check penalty on attack rolls as well as on all Dex- and Str-based ability and skill checks. The penalty for non-proficiency with armor stacks with the penalty for shields.

[BigNorseWolf]

Chess Pwn wrote:

You need to look at the next section.

Nonproficient with Armor Worn: A character who wears armor and/or uses a shield with which he is not proficient takes the armor's (and/or shield's) armor check penalty on attack rolls as well as on all Dex- and Str-based ability and skill checks. The penalty for non-proficiency with armor stacks with the penalty for shields.

Ahah.. got it. Thanks! Didn't know about that one.