| Nate Z |
^Is there any combination of feats, archetypes etc that would allow this to be feasible? This is mostly for curiosity's sake, so I have no restrictions about 3rd party stuff and weird races.
Would some combination of Titan Mauler barbarian & Titan Fighter...fighter work? A magic weapon property that I'm not remembering?
Like I said, this is just for fun,m so please, go nuts. :)
| Alric Rahl |
OK. Yes if you take Tiefling and their Over Sized Limb alternate racial trait, you can gain arms that can Wield Large Size weapons without penalty. This means a Medium Character could wield a Large Greatsword in 2 hands, when before it would be impossible. Actually this part is debated. it's not clear if you can now use 2 handed Large weapons. but it for sure negates the -2 to wield a larger than your size weapon.
Then with 2 levels of Titan Mauler you can wield the weapon in 1 hand for an additional -2 penalty.
This means your total penalty is only -2 to wield a Large Greatsword in 1 hand.
However if your GM says Over size limbs just negates the -2 penalty/weapon size larger than you, then you will need 3 levels of Titan Mauler. and 1 Effortless lace per weapon to get the bonus down to -3.
At 3rd level Titan Mauler you gain the ability to wield Large 2 Handed weapons, which you couldnt before. with the Jotun Grip ability of being able to wield it in 1 hand this comes out to a penalty of -5 to attack. But with Effortless Lace which reduces Size penalties by 2 and the reduction by 1 of the -4 that Massive Weapons Ability imposes (this is awkward wording as this ability at 3rd level says it imposes a -4 penalty for wielding a large 2handed but its reduced by 1 every so many levels, so at 3rd level its really only -3). Thus bringing the total down to -3 to attack. Now because you will need 5000gp to put Effortless lace on both you wont be very effective until like 6th level when you have the cash for both.
Also if you used d20PFSRD and see the sidebar about not being able to wield innapropriately sized weapons, ignore that as the Massive ability says you can wield 2 handed weapons sized for creatures 1 category larger than yourself. this means you as a medium creature can wield a Large 2 handed weapon.
Also keep in mind that if you mean to Two Weapon Fight with large Greatswords your taking an additional -4 to attack because they would both be considered 1 handed weapons and neither would be considered a light weapon, not even with effortless lace because the weapons arent sized for you. So in Total that would be a -6 or -7 per weapon depending on how your GM decided on Over Sized Limbs work. Even with a 20 Strength Enraged to 24 at 6th level (when you would have the cash for 2 effortless laces) thats still only a +6 to attack.... TOTAL. Thats all your penalties and bonuses included in that.
Lastly and I apologize that Im all over the map here. Since Massive weapons allows you to use Large 2 handed weapons and your Over Sized limb ability says you wield Large weapons without penalty it could be debated that you take no penalty from the Massive Weapons ability.
| Darksol the Painbringer |
OK. Yes if you take Tiefling and their Over Sized Limb alternate racial trait, you can gain arms that can Wield Large Size weapons without penalty. This means a Medium Character could wield a Large Greatsword in 2 hands, when before it would be impossible. Actually this part is debated. it's not clear if you can now use 2 handed Large weapons. but it for sure negates the -2 to wield a larger than your size weapon.
It doesn't allow you to overcome the handiness rules. It only removes the inappropriately-sized penalties incurred from using Large-sized weapons.
You could use this on, for example, a Large Bastard Sword, but a Large Greatsword requires 3 hands to use for a Medium Character, which means you can't wield it at all.
@ Nate Z: Monkey Grip feat from 3.X could work the way you want it to.
| Dragonchess Player |
A 2nd level titan mauler barbarian (Jotun Grip) under the effect of enlarge person can wield a Large greatsword (appropriately sized, as they are Large) with one hand (at a -2 penalty).
If you mean a Medium sized creature using a Large two-handed weapon without changing size or using telekinesis, no. Not in Pathfinder.
| Kudaku |
It doesn't allow you to overcome the handiness rules. It only removes the inappropriately-sized penalties incurred from using Large-sized weapons.
You could use this on, for example, a Large Bastard Sword, but a Large Greatsword requires 3 hands to use for a Medium Character, which means you can't wield it at all.
@ Nate Z: Monkey Grip feat from 3.X could work the way you want it to.
Actually, Near as I can tell Alric's suggestion should work.
At 2nd level, a titan mauler may choose to wield a two-handed melee weapon in one hand with a –2 penalty on attack rolls while doing so. The weapon must be appropriately sized for her(...)
You have over-sized limbs, allowing you to use Large weapons without penalty.
A large greatsword would be appropriately sized for a medium-size tiefling with the Over Sized Limb racial feature. Jotungrip lets you wield an appropriately sized two-handed weapon in one hand. Presto, you're one-handing a large two-handed weapon.
However many GMs will say no to picking racial traits off a random list. Another option is to use Enlarge Person or take a level of Titan Fighter for the Giant Weapon Wielder class feature, which has roughly the same function as Over-Sized limbs.
At 1st level, a titan fighter can wield two-handed melee weapons intended for creatures one size category larger than himself, treating them as two-handed weapons. He takes an additional –2 penalty on attack rolls when using an over-sized two-handed weapon.
| Darksol the Painbringer |
Darksol the Painbringer wrote:It doesn't allow you to overcome the handiness rules. It only removes the inappropriately-sized penalties incurred from using Large-sized weapons.
You could use this on, for example, a Large Bastard Sword, but a Large Greatsword requires 3 hands to use for a Medium Character, which means you can't wield it at all.
@ Nate Z: Monkey Grip feat from 3.X could work the way you want it to.
Actually, Near as I can tell Alric's suggestion should work.
Titan Mauler, Jotungrip wrote:At 2nd level, a titan mauler may choose to wield a two-handed melee weapon in one hand with a –2 penalty on attack rolls while doing so. The weapon must be appropriately sized for her(...)Variant tiefling abilities table nr. 16 wrote:You have over-sized limbs, allowing you to use Large weapons without penalty.A large greatsword would be appropriately sized for a medium-size tiefling with the Over Sized Limb racial feature. Jotungrip lets you wield an appropriately sized two-handed weapon in one hand. Presto, you're one-handing a large two-handed weapon.
However many GMs will say no to picking racial traits off a random list. Another option is to use Enlarge Person or take a level of Titan Fighter for the Giant Weapon Wielder class feature, which has roughly the same function as Over-Sized limbs.
Quote:At 1st level, a titan fighter can wield two-handed melee weapons intended for creatures one size category larger than himself, treating them as two-handed weapons. He takes an additional –2 penalty on attack rolls when using an over-sized two-handed weapon.
The Large Greatsword isn't sized for a Medium Creature. The Jotungrip ability would not apply.
This is like saying "I can use a Large-sized Kukri with Slashing Grace." Any sane person will reference you this portion of the text:
The weapon must be one appropriate for your size.
There is uncannily similar text in Jotungrip.
Being able to ignore a size penalty you've incurred means that you are incurring an inappropriate size weapon penalty, which means it's not appropriately sized for you, the holistic definition of "inappropriately sized," which means Jotungrip does not function with a Large Greatsword.
Not even Titan Fighter ignores the "inappropriately sized" clause, it just says that he can use a weapon one size larger than himself, and incurs an additional (which means extra) -2 penalty to hit, which means he's still suffering from inappropriately sized weapons, which means said weapon would still not function with Jotungrip.
| Kudaku |
I'd say the whole point of Over-sized limbs and Giant Weapon Wielder is that it lets you to treat Large weapons as appropriately sized, but we're obviously coming at this from diametrically opposite positions.
Rather than argue I think we should we agree to disagree and suggest that OP asks his GM how he interprets it.
If you'd like to discuss the rules elements of Oversized limbs/Giant Weapon Wielder (which I find interesting) you should make a thread in the Rule Questions forum. :)