Just got into PFS.
Who do you go to to talk about the cleanliness of the local Capt/Lt?
what Lamplighter said.
Sorry, should have been clearer. Who do you go to after talking to them in private?
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Depends on what the private talk resulted in.
You said you're new, I wonder if that means "first game" or if you've been out a few times already. It may not be a recurrent problem - everyone has that bad day where you rush to make the game.
Assuming it's not that, *and* you've raised it politely, your best bet is to talk to the store organizer or owner about it.
I would hope that any V-O who's been called on their hygiene by their colleagues would make a change.
EDIT: If you don't get resolution on the matter through this route, look here for the name of the person who is your Regional V-C, a new position that is the "next level up".
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with the advent of the new organizational structure, all issues, concerns, complaints that are not resolved by VC, should be escalated to the Regional Venture Coordinator for review.
Of course, before that occurs, the local VC should been given an opportunity to resolve said issue. It sounds like you attempts at a resolution were not met, so escalating to the RVC would be the next step.
This assumes a lot of course not the least of which are, was it a one-time occurrence or repeated and on-going, was it extreme in nature, were others affected by the issue, etc?
Hygiene can be a sensitive issue dependent on a lot of factors, but it can certainly be unpleasant to deal with. IMO, the forums are not a place to resolve these issues, so I don't think specifics of your incident bear expressing, but you are welcome to do so if you feel it is absolutely necessary. Like was asked above, please leave names out so as to not unduly embarrass anyone.
I would recommend you just follow the "normal" escalation process and avoid airing anyone's "dirty laundry" on the forums.
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Being particularly sensitive to certain colognes, perfumes, etc, I know what it is like to go through the painfully awkward procedure of telling someone their odor is unfortunately offensive to me.
So, some protips: Use "I", and not "You" often. Talk about how it effects you, apologize, and ask if they can help you out. Work your way around to the "take a shower" line. Maybe ask about products they use, or make comments on the products you use, how often you bathe, and then slip in a question about bathing habits. Subtle, non-aggressive, and non-accusatory questions should be your default. Basically, put it all forth as something that is not a thing they did wrong, but a problem, you have, that you are asking help to resolve.
I feel your pain Jon, many perfumes and other such things cause me to wheeze like an old bellows and sneeze my arse off, the worst was my mother was a devoted perfume consumer, thankfully my wife is not.
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If I woke up late and it came down to it, I would rather miss the first slot at a con than go without a shower.
Hopefully that is true of most gamers, but remember, this thread referred to a VC which probably means the event organizer. Can't just not show up when you're in charge.
In extreme circumstance, like having to come straight from work (physical job) could result in some gamer-funk. I had an issue with a player once that lived nearly an hour away from the game store, worked less than 2 minutes away, and got off approximately 10 minutes before the game started. He literally rushed through the door with take-out just in time to hear the boxed text. Unfortunately, his work was physical and he often brought his own "perfume" with him.
We were able to come to some resolutions, but the conversation was very uncomfortable both for me as the notifier and him as the recipient. He was exceedingly embarrassed that it was bad enough to effect other people.
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It doesn't matter how many stars Venture Catain Stinky has next to their name, personal hygiene is important. Don't do it for yourself; do it for the rest of us. take one for the team, Pathfinder.
Also, maybe Paizo needs to institute a sniff check on someone prior to promoting them to Venture Officer.
-Skeld
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[...], personal hygiene is important. Don't do it for yourself; do it for the rest of us. take one for the team, Pathfinder.
-SkeldAre you suggesting Quiterjon should bath is VC personally?
I think I´m not so close to my VCs to do it if needed, but I´ll applaud anyone so brave to try it.
Um ... yeah .. please don't anyone try to wash me ... hubs would prolly be giving you the evil eye and he carries knives lol.
A conversation like this is never easy either to have or to know how to have.
We had to have a conversation with a co-worker one time about the "perfume" the supervisor spoke with her and didn't help the situation, so the whole team chipped in and got her a basket from bath and body works .. had all the essentials. She was so happy to get it, never used it, but was happy to get it. Some people don't realize that they have an order and are clueless.
Just throw some Vicks vaporub on your upper lip and carry on. I guarantee this won't end well.
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When clicking on this thread I thought maybe it was about VCs IN-GAME. Let's be honest those guys use way too much mustache grease. Maybe the guy is trying to play up the rather funky aspect of many Absalom NPC.
Aside from that I think the important questions is, how often is it an issue? Are we talking end of Convention funk, I ran here from work to get the game going, or possibly only owns two shirts and no washer?
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Before SkalCon, I threatened on our Meetup discussion site to bring a supersoaker full of sudsy water and hose down anyone who'd foregone a shower in the parking lot.
Maybe the threat was enough... I never had to carry it out!
Hmm
PS Quick hygiene tip from someone who regularly goes to work after either a hard aikido class or bike commuting... baby wipes and fresh t-shirts. Pack baby wipes and a change of clothes with you. This change of clothes can be as simple as a fresh t-shirt or underwear, depending on how much you perspire. Use the unscented baby wipes, give yourself an impromptu cleanup, change your shirt, and you're usually good to go!
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We have "stink faries" also show up at a local con. They provide all sorts of odor obfuscation objects.
Clearly the best thing to do if your VC stinks is to walk up to him/her in the most packed game day and simply say in your outdoor voice, "god, you smell like rancid meat." This will achieve the objectives of a) making them realize that they're really no better than any of the rest of you and the whole concept of going to your VC to say somebody smells is really passive aggressive when in reality you should just tell the person that stinks this directly, and b) shame them into realizing how bad they smell.
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[...], personal hygiene is important. Don't do it for yourself; do it for the rest of us. take one for the team, Pathfinder.
-SkeldAre you suggesting Quiterjon should bath is VC personally?
I think I´m not so close to my VCs to do it if needed, but I´ll applaud anyone so brave to try it.
There were/are advantages to being Shadowlodge. At least we know our VC has had a bath!
;)
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[...], personal hygiene is important. Don't do it for yourself; do it for the rest of us. take one for the team, Pathfinder.
-SkeldAre you suggesting Quiterjon should bath is VC personally?
I think I´m not so close to my VCs to do it if needed, but I´ll applaud anyone so brave to try it.
There were/are advantages to being Shadowlodge. At least we know our VC has had a bath!
;)
Our VC is a bath.
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Our VC is a bath.[...], personal hygiene is important. Don't do it for yourself; do it for the rest of us. take one for the team, Pathfinder.
-SkeldAre you suggesting Quiterjon should bath is VC personally?
I think I´m not so close to my VCs to do it if needed, but I´ll applaud anyone so brave to try it.
There were/are advantages to being Shadowlodge. At least we know our VC has had a bath!
;)
That poor, poor Waves Oracle who has to divine orders from the bath water.
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Clearly the best thing to do if your VC stinks is to walk up to him/her in the most packed game day and simply say in your outdoor voice, "god, you smell like rancid meat." This will... shame them into realizing how bad they smell.
Despite the lack of emoji I am going to assume this was meant tongue-in-cheak. It is certainly funny in a facebook, social media sort of way, but for those of you who such things are lost on, of all the recommendations in this thread, I hope this would be your very LAST choice, if at all. Being "aggressive" without the "passive" does not necessarily make things any better and could easily make them worse. Have an ounce of compassion for someone who very well may be unaware of their "problem." Confront them in private and go from there. Treat people with respect and you'll be amazed how they'll respond.
Clearly the best thing to do if your VC stinks is to walk up to him/her in the most packed game day and simply say in your outdoor voice, "god, you smell like rancid meat." This will... shame them into realizing how bad they smell.Despite the lack of emoji I am going to assume this was meant tongue-in-cheak. It is certainly funny in a facebook, social media sort of way, but for those of you who such things are lost on, of all the recommendations in this thread, I hope this would be your very LAST choice, if at all. Being "aggressive" without the "passive" does not necessarily make things any better and could easily make them worse. Have an ounce of compassion for someone who very well may be unaware of their "problem." Confront them in private and go from there. Treat people with respect and you'll be amazed how they'll respond.
I have kept it very pc, pleasant, round about, whatever you want to call it.
See I have had different experiences with the treat people with respect concept. Personally I have found being blunt does a whole heck of a lot more. ymmvHowever my patience on the matter runs thin when the cpt/lt continues to show up smelling like they do.
If it was 'they have a physical job' I could handle that, it's not. It's lack of personal hygiene.
It isn't confined to just odor. Clothing isn't laundered. For me that was the tipping point. I could suck up the funk by not sitting next to them. Yo0u keep showing up week after week without laundering your clothes...that's too far.
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It isn't confined to just odor. Clothing isn't laundered. For me that was the tipping point. I could suck up the funk by not sitting next to them. Yo0u keep showing up week after week without laundering your clothes...that's too far.
OK, then. Next step is to use the link I provided above, find out who your Regional V-C is, and bring it up with them. Good luck!
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I do love that the post immediately following Vic's plea for use to quit making subtle reference to Grandmaster Torch, the thread derails into direct references about Grandmaster Torch and his bathing habits...
Well, it sounds like we stopped making subtle references.
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I do love that the post immediately following Vic's plea for use to quit making subtle reference to Grandmaster Torch, the thread derails into direct references about Grandmaster Torch and his bathing habits...
I think you misread Vic's post about 'dropping hints to the stinky VO'.