Sleight of Hand Skill Unlocks and Quickdraw


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I just recently noticed this, but under the Sleight of Hand skill unlocks, which state you can use SoH as a move action at a -10 penalty, then as a swift at a -20, then as a move at no penalty and as a swift at -10. What about when you have quickdraw and are drawing a hidden weapon?

Sleight of Hand Unchained wrote:


With sufficient ranks in Sleight of Hand, you earn the following.

5 Ranks: When attempting a disarm or steal maneuver, a successful Sleight of Hand check against your target's CMD grants a +2 circumstance bonus on your combat maneuver check.

10 Ranks: The penalty for attempting a Sleight of Hand check (including drawing a hidden weapon) as a move action is reduced to –10.

15 Ranks: You can attempt a Sleight of Hand check (including drawing a hidden weapon) as a swift action at a –20 penalty.

20 Ranks: You take no penalty for using Sleight of Hand as a move action, and take only a –10 penalty when using it as a swift action.

Quick Draw wrote:


Benefit: You can draw a weapon as a free action instead of as a move action. You can draw a hidden weapon (see the Sleight of Hand skill) as a move action.

I would think it would move the penalties up a step, so at 5 ranks it would be a move action at no penalty, 10 ranks can be swift at -20, 15 would be swift at -10, then maybe 20 is swift at no penalty?

Some clarification on this would be nice.


Quick Draw lets you draw a hidden weapon as a move action, meaning that the 10 does nothing (as you can already do it without a penalty) in regard of drawing hidden weapons. 15 and 20 are unchanged.

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