Is it possible? can friends or foes to teleport inside or outside a prismatic sphere?
By RAW "Teleportation is instantaneous travel through the Astral Plane. Anything that blocks astral travel also blocks teleportation." This means that if the prismatic sphere dose not exist in the astral plane can't block a teleportation?
Yup, nothing stopping teleportation from going past it. That's kind of the big weakness of the prismatic spells. By the time you're actually a high enough level to cast them, the devastating effects are often meaningless because of how mobile high-CR enemies are.
It's nice combined with dimensional lock.
Though I still wouldn't recommend it for most people (except the caster), since the spell is a 10' radius sphere filled with prismatic effect (many people think it's a shell, but it isn't), so the instant they appear, they get hit by all 7 effects.
Though I still wouldn't recommend it for most people (except the caster), since the spell is a 10' radius sphere filled with prismatic effect (many people think it's a shell, but it isn't), so the instant they appear, they get hit by all 7 effects.
That's a rather...dubious interpretation. Nowhere does it say the sphere is filled with the effect, and the wording of the spell strongly suggests that the sphere is hollow (although admittedly it doesn't actually say either way). Do you have a rules basis for the "filled sphere" claim?
Though I still wouldn't recommend it for most people (except the caster), since the spell is a 10' radius sphere filled with prismatic effect (many people think it's a shell, but it isn't), so the instant they appear, they get hit by all 7 effects.That's a rather...dubious interpretation. Nowhere does it say the sphere is filled with the effect, and the wording of the spell strongly suggests that the sphere is hollow (although admittedly it doesn't actually say either way). Do you have a rules basis for the "filled sphere" claim?
A sphere-shaped spell expands from its point of origin to fill a spherical area. Spheres may be bursts, emanations, or spreads.
Yep.
I'm pretty sure it was a shell pre-3E (books aren't nearby to check) so a lot of people have that in mind when running PS in 3.x/PF games (I was one of them for a long time), but I spent a while checking rules sources about a year ago, specifically because of this perceived weakness in the sphere.
Globe is undefined in the rules (and one of the dictionary definitions is "sphere"), it's not a standard spell effect, and most spells which feature a globe are as ambiguous as PS in their use of the term (even globe of invulnerability doesn't actually say it's not space-filling, and is a "spherical emanation", which by the general magic rules is space filling).
Spells which have a sphere area of effect are clearly defined as space-filling, and the fact that there's no contradictory language in the spell (even including the word "surrounds") means that there is no specific to trump the general rules for spheres.
Now, part of me thinks that is should actually be a shell (it's a really cool visual, and makes adjudicating "passing through the sphere" a lot easier to make sense of), but I have never been able to find any convincing RAW argument against the sphere "fill[ing] a spherical area".
Is it possible? can friends or foes to teleport inside or outside a prismatic sphere?
By RAW "Teleportation is instantaneous travel through the Astral Plane. Anything that blocks astral travel also blocks teleportation." This means that if the prismatic sphere dose not exist in the astral plane can't block a teleportation?
Indigo: Stops all spells.
ie teleport spell from outside to inside is stopped.
This is one interpretation, if you want to use it that way. It is not the only interpretation - 'teleport uses the Astral Plane, so my spell doesn't actually cross the sphere' is another, but combined with Chemlak's point about it not being a shell, this should mean that you simply can't teleport into one at all.
I'd go with the Rule of Cool:
1) do you think it is cooler that a teleportee gets blasted with all 7 effects, or
2) cooler that they can simply teleport in (treating the spell as a shell after all, and that Indigo doesn't stop them), or
3) cooler that they can't do it at all?
In case 1, you get to see if they can survive their folly. In case 3, the attempt isn't going to kill them, which can be useful if your players are attached to their characters. In case 2 the Prismatic Sphere spell is pretty weak for a 9th level spell.
Chemlak. There are lots of sphere spells that specifically don't fill the entire area - Resilient Sphere being the one that first springs to mind. It is not necessarily the case that because a power emenates from a point that it fills the space around the point. In the case of Globe of invulnerability the spell specificall says spells can be cast through the sphere meaning the spell does not affect magic cast within the sphere.
The wording of the spell strongly suggests that the prismatic sphere is hollow particularly as the spell is a spherical version of a wall spell. Are you suggesting that a wall of ice is solid rather than hollow as it is a hemisphere?
I think you are implying a fairly strange effect to the spell and im not sure why. It seems unnecessary.
In terms of blocking teleportation I think it is debatable. While it says the spell blocks all spells effects through it, a teleport is bridging the space between so I would say it avoids passing through it just like a resilient sphere.
Since we're at it about Prismatic Sphere, have you ever had to deal with a big creature that can cast it? One bigger than the 10-ft.-radius sphere, like a Great Wyrm Red Dragon. Given its size, the sphere would come into being inside him, not the other way around...
Would you adjust the size of the sphere to cover the creature? Or what else?
Sounds a little like the Prismatic Lantern from Tombs of Golarion
Artifacts & Legends on pg 29 has one of the the few examples of a miniature mobile prismatic sphere.
I would say that the PS conforms to the dimensions described. If the creature was too large it would take effect centred on it, but as the caster can move through it then it won't matter.
My evil imagination imagines the dragon grappling adventurers and then thrusting them through the sphere / wall.
I remember an adventure/campaign. Where a Mage Lock and a Permanent Prismatic Sphere were used to imprison a Balor/Pit Fiend of some description.
Since we're at it about Prismatic Sphere, have you ever had to deal with a big creature that can cast it? One bigger than the 10-ft.-radius sphere, like a Great Wyrm Red Dragon. Given its size, the sphere would come into being inside him, not the other way around...
Would you adjust the size of the sphere to cover the creature? Or what else?
There was a fairly recent FAQ about the size of Antimagic Spheres cast by big creatures, whereby they become the size of the creature plus 10ft, and I'd use that as a precedent for this spell too.
There was a fairly recent FAQ about the size of Antimagic Spheres cast by big creatures, whereby they become the size of the creature plus 10ft, and I'd use that as a precedent for this spell too.Since we're at it about Prismatic Sphere, have you ever had to deal with a big creature that can cast it? One bigger than the 10-ft.-radius sphere, like a Great Wyrm Red Dragon. Given its size, the sphere would come into being inside him, not the other way around...
Would you adjust the size of the sphere to cover the creature? Or what else?
Here is the FAQ. Although it uses antimagic field as an example, it was addressing a broader set of spells.
Big creatures and centered effects: If a Large or larger creature has up an effect “centered on you,” does that mean that sometimes the emanation doesn’t even affect the creature’s entire space, let alone anything else?
Answer: No, when a creature uses an emanation or burst with the text “centered on you,” treat the creature’s entire space as the spell’s point of origin, and measure the spell’s area or effect from the edges of the creature’s space. For instance, an antimagic field cast by a great wyrm red dragon would extend 10 feet beyond her 30x30 foot space, for a total of a 50 foot diameter.
Wow that is a nasty effect. I guess gargantuan creatures with caster levels are fairly rare but I like the idea!
PS isn't actually an emanation or burst, so unfortunately the FAQ doesn't apply (though it probably should).
PS isn't actually an emanation or burst, so unfortunately the FAQ doesn't apply (though it probably should).
You are correct.
Alright, nice to know there's a FAQ about it, thanks.