What bonuses does the id rager get exactly?


Rules Questions

Silver Crusade

It notes that you get bonuses as if you were a phantom of your character level. It also notes that you cannot become incorporeal.

So would the following assumption be correct?

Id rage benefits on top of normal blood rage example:

Anger focus.
Additional +2 str and -2 dex, 2 slams of 1 size bigger that scale with bloodrager level, power attack as a bonus feat while raging, damage reduction scaling from 5/slashing to 15/-, Darkvision, magic attacks, ability to phase through walls.

Sovereign Court

Pathfinder Starfinder Society Subscriber

Just the emotional focus powers, not all the phantom powers.

So anger gets to treat slam attacks as 1 size bigger, and gets Power Attack.


It seems compatible with Urban Bloodrager. Time to make the ultimate Dexbarian

Silver Crusade

KingOfAnything wrote:

Just the emotional focus powers, not all the phantom powers.

So anger gets to treat slam attacks as 1 size bigger, and gets Power Attack.

To quote the entry in occult origins,

When the id rager enters a bloodrage, he gains additional
powers as if he were a phantom (Pathfinder RPG Occult
Adventures 78) with the emotional focus he selected as his
atavistic focus. He is considered to be both a phantom
and a spiritualist for the purposes of abilities whose effect
references both a phantom and a spiritualist, such as a
dedication phantom’s dutiful strike, and treats his bloodrager
level as both his spiritualist level and his phantom Hit Dice
when determining abilities and save DCs.

And This ability replaces bloodline, all bloodline spells, and all
bloodline powers.

Replacing all of your bloodline things for just a feat and 2 slams seems a bit to little. I know I'm the one asking but the main conflict over here is wether you get the special abilities and the stat bonuses or just special abilities

Sovereign Court

Pathfinder Starfinder Society Subscriber

No, you're right. Anger would also get the +2 Str / -2 Dex. You don't get the scaling bonuses the second half of that ability refers to, though.

Dedication would get Iron Will as well as Dutiful Strike.


Seems to be the best emotional focus to use would be hatred.

If urban bloodrager is compatible then the free weapon finesse isn't even wasted.

Silver Crusade

You also get the rest of the abilities from the Emotional Focus, Anger for example:

Strength Focus: The phantom gains a +2 bonus to Strength and a –2 penalty to Dexterity. Instead of the phantom gaining a bonus to Dexterity as the spiritualist gains levels, an anger-focused phantom gains a bonus to Strength instead.

Powerful Strike (Ex)

A phantom with this focus deals more damage with its slam attacks. It deals slam damage as a creature one size category larger than its current size.

The phantom also gains Power Attack as a bonus feat.

Aura of Fury (Su)

When the spiritualist reaches 7th level, as a swift action, the phantom can emit a 20-foot-radius aura of fury. Creatures within the aura gain a +2 bonus on melee attack rolls but take a –2 penalty to AC. Ending the aura is a free action. The phantom can use this ability in either ectoplasmic or incorporeal form.

Ferocious Mien (Su)

When the spiritualist reaches 12th level, once per day as a swift action, a phantom in ectoplasmic form can grow more ferocious and frightening.

It becomes one size category larger than its current size, as affected by an enlarge person spell, and grows fiercer in combat, as if affected by a rage spell. This effect lasts for 1 round per class level of the spiritualist. When the spiritualist reaches 18th level, a phantom using ferocious mien also gains the frightful presence extraordinary ability (Bestiary 300; range 30 feet, duration 5d6 rounds).

Furious Wail (Su)

When the spiritualist reaches 17th level, once per day as a standard action, the phantom can emit a single angry wail that acts as wail of the banshee. The phantom uses its Hit Dice as its caster level for the effect, and the DC of the effect is 10 + 1/2 the phantom's Hit Dice + the phantom's Charisma modif ier. The phantom can use this ability in either ectoplasmic or incorporeal form.

Basically unless you get a slam attack from somewhere else you get all of the abilities listed under each of the Foci


Deadkitten wrote:

Seems to be the best emotional focus to use would be hatred.

If urban bloodrager is compatible then the free weapon finesse isn't even wasted.

You'd only gain the advantages of Weapon Finesse while raging, correct? I'll grant you that's probably most of the time, but if you're optimizing for Dex and something fatigues you, it'll hit doubly hard in this instance since you'd not only lose the rage, but the feat making Dex your attack stat for melee weapons.

It would also mean you couldn't use Iron Will from the Devotion phantom powers for the purpose of prerequisites (though you could pick it up with the 4th level feat).

Am I interpreting this correctly?

Silver Crusade

Unfortunately it would appear so, though I would say you could use Devoted!Iron Will as a prerequisite but couldn't use anything you get from what when you're not in your Id Rage.

The Exchange

Can't do urban that requires a bloodline. The power attack would only be while raging same with finesse, as a pre req I would imagine you would loose it when you stop raging as well.

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