can you quickdraw a gauntlet?

[FLite]

Okay, I could have sworn I saw the answer to this somewhere when I first read the rule book, but I didn't care at the time.

What action is it to put on a Gauntlet / spiked gauntlet / cestus?

Can that action be modified with quickdraw?

Would swashbucklers initiative + quickdraw allow me to go from bare handed to wearing a cestus as part of the initiative check?

I mean, it seems completely irrational to me, but I can't find anything in the rules to prevent it.

[Kazaan]

Strictly speaking, yes. From a design standpoint, it would have been appropriate to increase the "wield" time of such weapons to reflect the fact that they need to be pulled out and strapped on, rather than just grasped. I would have buffed them up just a tad, but it takes a standard action to wield a Gauntlet or other weapon worn on the hand, reduced to a move action by Quickdraw. That would probably be an appropriate houserule.

[CampinCarl9127]

Agreed with Kazaan. Strictly by RAW you can do that, realistic silliness aside.

Of course the question becomes why are you using those weapons on a swashbuckler? :P

[quibblemuch]

CampinCarl9127 wrote:

Of course the question becomes why are you using those weapons on a swashbuckler? :P

I'd think that would be obvious!

Step Zero: As a free action, declare: "You have insulted me, monsieur!"
Step One: Remove gauntlet as move action.
Step Two: Slap opponent with gauntlet as standard action.
Step Three: Quick-don gauntlet as free action using Quick Draw feat.

Otherwise, you go through a small fortune in dropped insult-gauntlets. :)

*EDIT* And it goes a little something like this.

[CampinCarl9127]

quibblemuch wrote:

CampinCarl9127 wrote:

Of course the question becomes why are you using those weapons on a swashbuckler? :P

I'd think that would be obvious!

Step Zero: As a free action, declare: "You have insulted me, monsieur!"
Step One: Remove gauntlet as move action.
Step Two: Slap opponent with gauntlet as standard action.
Step Three: Quick-don gauntlet as free action using Quick Draw feat.

Otherwise, you go through a small fortune in dropped insult-gauntlets. :)

Wow. I stand corrected. Carry on good sir.

Now if there's a way to slip a brick inside the gauntlet first...

[Flint Wheeler]

Because While I am a genius with two weapon fighting with a piercing weapon and a pistol, I still only have two hands, and I need to reload. So until I can afford a glove of storing, a cracked white opalescent ioun stone, and a +1 Keen Wakusashi, I am using a cestus so that all my "When fighting with a light or one handed piercing weapon and a gun" deeds and class features still work.

the plan is to have a character who at 9th level has a +16 init mod, can draw a piercing weapon and handgun as part of initiative, and always acts in the surprise round, and with slippers of swift action gets a move and a standard in the surprise round. And as a side benefit can open doors as a swift action. Fastest gun in west.

When ambushed, I should be able to get 2 shots off with my double barrel pistol and get to cover before anyone else can act.

With the glove of storing and an endless bandoleer, he will not be carrying any visible weapons.

[Kazaan]

A thought just occurred to me; quickdraw would, arguably, work on a Rope Gauntlet as well.

[FLite]

No, it says "free action instead of a move action." But rope gauntlets are two 1 minute actions to use.

[My Self]

Flint Wheeler wrote:

Because While I am a genius with two weapon fighting with a piercing weapon and a pistol, I still only have two hands, and I need to reload. So until I can afford a glove of storing, a cracked white opalescent ioun stone, and a +1 Keen Wakusashi, I am using a cestus so that all my "When fighting with a light or one handed piercing weapon and a gun" deeds and class features still work.

the plan is to have a character who at 9th level has a +16 init mod, can draw a piercing weapon and handgun as part of initiative, and always acts in the surprise round, and with slippers of swift action gets a move and a standard in the surprise round. And as a side benefit can open doors as a swift action. Fastest gun in west.

When ambushed, I should be able to get 2 shots off with my double barrel pistol and get to cover before anyone else can act.

With the glove of storing and an endless bandoleer, he will not be carrying any visible weapons.

Samurai Cowboy?

[Zwordsman]

That would just make the Thundercat's Guantlet.

[FLite]

My Self wrote:

Flint Wheeler wrote:

Because While I am a genius with two weapon fighting with a piercing weapon and a pistol, I still only have two hands, and I need to reload. So until I can afford a glove of storing, a cracked white opalescent ioun stone, and a +1 Keen Wakusashi, I am using a cestus so that all my "When fighting with a light or one handed piercing weapon and a gun" deeds and class features still work.

the plan is to have a character who at 9th level has a +16 init mod, can draw a piercing weapon and handgun as part of initiative, and always acts in the surprise round, and with slippers of swift action gets a move and a standard in the surprise round. And as a side benefit can open doors as a swift action. Fastest gun in west.

When ambushed, I should be able to get 2 shots off with my double barrel pistol and get to cover before anyone else can act.

With the glove of storing and an endless bandoleer, he will not be carrying any visible weapons.

Samurai Cowboy?

Half the samurai movies were rip-offs of spaghetti westerns. (Or was it the other way around. Now I can't remember)

[Kayerloth]

1954 - The Seven Samurai
1960 - The Magnificent Seven

The Japanese films were generally the originals.

[RJGrady]

Bugs Bunny says yes.

[Zwordsman]

Roughly 3/4ths of the time. The Japanese version was the original.

Though at this point its all public knowledge, so new ones like The Warriors Way are less copies of previous (which were copies of previous); they are just the common trope now.

[blackbloodtroll]

RJGrady wrote:

Bugs Bunny says yes.

Bugs Bunny Nips the Nips?

[The Wyrm Ouroboros]

quibblemuch wrote:

Step Two: Slap opponent with gauntlet as standard action.
Step Three: Quick-don gauntlet as free action using Quick Draw feat.

Otherwise, you go through a small fortune in dropped insult-gauntlets. :)

No, no - you get the thrown-down-insult-gauntlet back. Once you throw down the gauntlet - which of course is where the saying came from - the person who has insulted you must either apologize, publically and immediately, for the insult, or else 'take up the gage' (gage being another term for glove/gauntlet) and basically slap you back, throwing your glove back to the floor and stomping off while his second and yours arrange the terms of the duel while you pick up your gauntlet.

This is one reason why you don't want to 'brick-load' the glove you're gonna smack someone with - or smack 'em with a steel glove, y'know?

[Turin the Mad]

Ah, but 'brick-loading' the gauntlet leads to endless merriment with Catch-off Guard. ;)