"Your movement occurs just before the beginning of the casting of a spell as that is what the trigger is"
IE YES, your movement does occur before the spell is started.
It doesn't say "just before the beginning." It makes no particular distinction. It could just as easily say "just before the end."
Because it makes no distinction, the context of the paragraph is what clarifies the sentence.
Again. Stop ignoring context."
Or do you want to explain how these two sentences can mean anything other than "just before the end of the casting of a spell."
"Then, anytime before your next action, you may take the readied action in response to that condition."
"Assuming he is still capable of doing so, he continues his actions once you complete your readied action."
It makes perfect sense if you apply even a lick of common sense to the rules instead of your pedantic rules lawyering.
But as mentioned above, the rules aren't even being discussed anymore. Have fun containing your argument that demand burden of proof where you provide none. Happy gaming.
"Your movement occurs just before the beginning of the casting of a spell as that is what the trigger is"
IE YES, your movement does occur before the spell is started.It doesn't say "just before the beginning." It makes no particular distinction. It could just as easily say "just before the end."
Because it makes no distinction, the context of the paragraph is what clarifies the sentence.
Again. Stop ignoring context."
Or do you want to explain how these two sentences can mean anything other than "just before the end of the casting of a spell."
"Then, anytime before your next action, you may take the readied action in response to that condition."
"Assuming he is still capable of doing so, he continues his actions once you complete your readied action."
"You can ready a standard action, a move action, a swift action, or a free action. To do so, specify the action you will take and the conditions under which you will take it. Then, anytime before your next action, you may take the readied action in response to that condition. The action occurs just before the action that triggers it. Assuming he is still capable of doing so, he continues his actions once you complete your readied action."
First I will define some items.
1)I ready a move action to move to square Y. This is my readied action
2)I will take it when wizard X begins to cast a spell. This is the condition
Now I will clarify something
So anytime before my next action, I may 'do a move action to move to square Y' in response to 'wizard X beginning to cast a spell'.
I will replace the words "action" with the actual stuff happening.
"'do a move action to move to square Y' occurs just before the 'Standard action wizard X was using to cast a spell'"
BUT another interpretation might actually be
"'do a move action to move to square Y' occurs just before the 'wizard X beginning to cast a spell'"
Which is the correct wording replacement depends on what action means. does it mean (free, swift, move standard) or is it referring to the condition set for the readied action.
Either way, your movement does occur before the spell is started. As that was the condition set for your readied action, and your action happens before the action that triggered it.
Now, since the caster is still able to use his standard action to cast a spell, he continues to begin to cast his spell, which is continuing the action that triggered the readied action.
"D-day, when the Allies invaded Normandy, happened before WWII."
Not even close to what I said, but, okay, whatever. I think I'm done, as carl says, this isn't even a discussion about the rules, just pointless semantics wankery.
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The action occurs just before the action that triggers it. If the triggered action is part of another character's activities, you interrupt the other character. Assuming he is still capable of doing so, he continues his actions once you complete your readied action.
Your readied move action interrupts the spell casting. After your movement, the spell casting continues. Continuing to cast a spell doesn't provoke attacks of opportunity.
This is RAW as interpreted by me, a GM. It is supported by the rules, it is how everyone I've ever played with runs it. You guys are welcome to interpret it differently in the games you GM.
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What about readied-actions-partial charges?
Fairly certain you can't normally ready a 'Partial Charge':
If you are able to take only a standard action on your turn, you can still charge, but you are only allowed to move up to your speed (instead of up to double your speed) and you cannot draw a weapon unless you possess the Quick Draw feat. You can't use this option unless you are restricted to taking only a standard action on your turn.
You are limited to a Standard action or less as your readied action, but you don't actually lose your move action (you could, for instance, draw a weapon on your normal initiative as a move action and then ready a standard action to attack if the wizard in front of you starts to cast).
Now, if you were restricted to standard actions for some other reason, technically you could ready a partial charge, which is quite frankly more than a little silly (I can only move and attack if you slow me?) and probably calls for a GM's interpretation.
Since you can ready an attack to interrupt spellcasting, if you do somehow get a 'readied partial charge' it would probably work under those guidelines. Whether you can get an AoO as well is, well, I guess you'd need to review the previous 110 posts and come to your own conclusion on that.
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The action occurs just before the action that triggers it. If the triggered action is part of another character's activities, you interrupt the other character. Assuming he is still capable of doing so, he continues his actions once you complete your readied action.
Your readied move action interrupts the spell casting. After your movement, the spell casting continues. Continuing to cast a spell doesn't provoke attacks of opportunity.
This is RAW as interpreted by me, a GM. It is supported by the rules, it is how everyone I've ever played with runs it. You guys are welcome to interpret it differently in the games you GM.
You skipped an important part...
Readying an Action: You can ready a standard action, a move action, a swift action, or a free action. To do so, specify the action you will take and the conditions under which you will take it. Then, anytime before your next action, you may take the readied action in response to that condition. The action occurs just before the action that triggers it. If the triggered action is part of another character's activities, you interrupt the other character. Assuming he is still capable of doing so, he continues his actions once you complete your readied action. Your initiative result changes. For the rest of the encounter, your initiative result is the count on which you took the readied action, and you act immediately ahead of the character whose action triggered your readied action.
It's better if you read the whole section rather than just cherry-picking individual words that help your point.
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what a weird situation where being slowed is an improvement.
In case Taja's answer wasn't enough.
Ready: Can you ready an action to charge?
No. The rules for a charge state that you can take a charge action as a standard action if you are "restricted to taking only a standard action on your turn". Although the ready action text states that you can take a standard action, it does not meet the requirements of the text in the charge action. (See Core Rulebook pages 198 and 203)
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The action occurs just before the action that triggers it. If the triggered action is part of another character's activities, you interrupt the other character. Assuming he is still capable of doing so, he continues his actions once you complete your readied action.
Your readied move action interrupts the spell casting. After your movement, the spell casting continues. Continuing to cast a spell doesn't provoke attacks of opportunity.
This is RAW as interpreted by me, a GM. It is supported by the rules, it is how everyone I've ever played with runs it. You guys are welcome to interpret it differently in the games you GM.
You skipped an important part...
Readying an Action: You can ready a standard action, a move action, a swift action, or a free action. To do so, specify the action you will take and the conditions under which you will take it. Then, anytime before your next action, you may take the readied action in response to that condition. The action occurs just before the action that triggers it. If the triggered action is part of another character's activities, you interrupt the other character. Assuming he is still capable of doing so, he continues his actions once you complete your readied action. Your initiative result changes. For the rest of the encounter, your initiative result is the count on which you took the readied action, and you act immediately ahead of the character whose action triggered your readied action.It's better if you read the whole section rather than just cherry-picking individual words that help your point.
It was included in my reference to the rules. Emphasis by bolding is a common technique on a forum, just as you used to to emphasize the sentence in question.
The rules seem to contradict themselves, as you cannot do A before B starts while simultaneously interrupting B and then allowing B to continue. I choose to use the interrupt/continue interpretation, and you are welcome to use the occurs-before interpretation in your games. Both seemingly have RAW support.
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The action occurs just before the action that triggers it. If the triggered action is part of another character's activities, you interrupt the other character. Assuming he is still capable of doing so, he continues his actions once you complete your readied action.
Your readied move action interrupts the spell casting. After your movement, the spell casting continues. Continuing to cast a spell doesn't provoke attacks of opportunity.
This is RAW as interpreted by me, a GM. It is supported by the rules, it is how everyone I've ever played with runs it. You guys are welcome to interpret it differently in the games you GM.
You skipped an important part...
Readying an Action: You can ready a standard action, a move action, a swift action, or a free action. To do so, specify the action you will take and the conditions under which you will take it. Then, anytime before your next action, you may take the readied action in response to that condition. The action occurs just before the action that triggers it. If the triggered action is part of another character's activities, you interrupt the other character. Assuming he is still capable of doing so, he continues his actions once you complete your readied action. Your initiative result changes. For the rest of the encounter, your initiative result is the count on which you took the readied action, and you act immediately ahead of the character whose action triggered your readied action.It's better if you read the whole section rather than just cherry-picking individual words that help your point.It was included in my reference to the rules. Emphasis by bolding is a common technique on a forum, just as you used to to emphasize the sentence in question.
The rules seem to contradict themselves, as you cannot do A before B starts while simultaneously interrupting B and then allowing B to continue....
Well, one interpretation has a contradiction (yours), the other does not (mine). How I interpret that line that your hinging your argument upon is that the player (creature, npc, whatever) must continue with the action they've already committed to. With that interpretation there is no contradiction.
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what a weird situation where being slowed is an improvement.
In case Taja's answer wasn't enough.
...Ready: Can you ready an action to charge?
No. The rules for a charge state that you can take a charge action as a standard action if you are "restricted to taking only a standard
As Nicos and I both noticed, you can technically ready a partial charge if you are slowed or otherwise staggered (I was editing my post to mention that option when Nicos made that reply).
On the general argument of this thread, let's take a more basic and extreme example:
- 'Big Bad Bob' has a standard tactic of teleporting into a room and attacking.
- The PCs are familiar with this trick and one readies an action to cast Dimension Anchor as soon as Bob appears.
- Bob teleports in.
- Dimension Anchor is successfully cast.
Now, where is Bob?
- Is he trapped in the same room as the party? Logically, he is.
- Per the RAW, however, Dimension Anchor went off before he teleported in, which means he is somehow trapped in the room he originally teleported out of.
- Of course, since the PCs did not have Line of Effect to that location, per RAW the Dimension Anchor casting failed, Bob did teleport in, and he is free to teleport out.
Personally, I think Bob is trapped in the room with the PCs and a readied 'move to the caster' does not allow you to take an AoO on that caster...
What about readied-actions-partial charges?
That's a feat. Rhino's Charge.
I'm not saying i agree that it should be a feat. Just that it is.
A move action is roughly 2-3 seconds, dashing 30ft in that time is easy peasy. Certainly fast enough to intercept a spell being cast that takes 3-4 seconds to complete.
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A move action is roughly 2-3 seconds, dashing 30ft in that time is easy peasy. Certainly fast enough to intercept a spell being cast that takes 3-4 seconds to complete.The specific issue is:
- Per RAW, spell casting only provokes at the start of the casting action (if the spell has a full or multi-round cast time, you don't get an AoO just because you walked up to him after he started but before he finished).
- The OP's readied action is to move to the caster if he starts casting a spell.
- Logically, if that movement takes any time at all, the OP does not get an attack: He wasn't threatening the Caster when the cast started, and the cast was already 'in progress' when he was within reach.
- Per RAW, however, the 'Reaction' happens before the cast, which creates the whole 'I can see into the future' issue.
- Of course, Reacts resolving before the trigger makes no sense with the 'Distracting Spellcasters' tactic: Damage taken doesn't require a Concentration check if the caster hasn't actually started casting yet.
You can ready an attack against a spellcaster with the trigger "if she starts casting a spell." If you damage the spellcaster, she may lose the spell she was trying to cast (as determined by her concentration check result).
So basically, the rules are bit of a mess, and given the variety of possible 'action and reaction' interactions, I doubt it's possible to get good rules on this beyond a generic 'GMs need to use their best judgement' clause. Okay, you could go the old 'Star Fleet Battles' approach and spread your actions and movements out each round so everyone moves simultaneously ('My 1.5s cast will provoke for the first 0.5s: If you are close enough to threaten me in that half second, you get an AoO'), but personally I think I'd prefer it if a 6s round took less than an actual hour to complete...
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Using this sentence alone doesn't work.
The action occurs just before the action that triggers it.
If you ready an attack for someone entering your threatened area, you would have to take your attack just before they enter your threatened area, which you cannot do because they are outside of it "just before" entering.
If you ready a ranged attack for seeing a monster in the doorway, you'd take your ranged attack "just before" seeing them, which you cannot do because the monster isn't within line of sight yet.
If you ready a Hold Person for when you see the invisible human pop out of invisibility, you can't actually target them "just before" they become visible, as you don't have line of sight on them yet.
I disagree. I say that it's ambiguous and am convinced that ShieldLawrence's position is the most appropriate interpretation.
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No "Start making up totally new triggers that were not what the readying player TOLD you the trigger was" is not supported by RAW. Any more than just randomly changing a longbow to 2d4 would be, or deciding that halfling is an elf for now because you simply disliked the results otherwise.
Besides you could change the example trigger to not require magic anyway to make this moot point. Imagine the player said "...when somebody enters the room, cast dimension anchor" not "teleport"
If you readied for "somebody entering the room", your readied action would happen JUST BEFORE they entered the room. After all...
"The action occurs just before the action that triggers it."
But unfortunately, you don't have line of sight "just before" they enter the room, so dimension anchor fails.
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I suppose I agree with Crimeo's option 1...
The action occurs just before the action that triggers it. If the triggered action is part of another character's activities, you interrupt the other character. Assuming he is still capable of doing so, he continues his actions once you complete your readied action.
I absolutely think that the first sentence was poorly written and is in contention with the second and third sentences above. Instead, Paizo should have written "The readied action is resolved just before the action that triggers it is resolved." It would then read:
The readied action is resolved just before the action that triggers it is resolved. If the triggered action is part of another character's activities, you interrupt the other character. Assuming he is still capable of doing so, he continues his actions once you complete your readied action.
If this were the case, we wouldn't have time-jump problems and future-seeing problems. As I am not Paizo, I cannot change the sentence myself. Instead, I elect to use sentences 2 and 3 to determine the outcome. A readied action "interrupts" and then the action "continues."
Sentence 1 and Sentences 2/3 are irreconcilable.