Are there Occultic Spellbooks?


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None of the Occultic classes need spellbooks, but since the spells can be recorded as Scrolls, can they also be recorded in an occultic spellbook?

Can a Psychic spell that is also on the list of an Arcane or Divine caster be translated to an Arcane or Divine form? Or would they need a "Read Psychic Magic" spell to do something like that?

Grand Lodge

1, No since the classes do not have a spellbook feature.

2. No.

Psychic casters, (and this includes psychic archetypes of existing classes like the spellblade) live in a third world, just as arcane and divine are separate, only more so.


Dark Psion wrote:
None of the Occultic classes need spellbooks, but since the spells can be recorded as Scrolls, can they also be recorded in an occultic spellbook?

Spontaneous casters don't have spellbooks, so the only psychic caster who would have a spellbook would be a Blood Arcanist who selected the Psychic Bloodline.

Dark Psion wrote:
Can a Psychic spell that is also on the list of an Arcane or Divine caster be translated to an Arcane or Divine form? Or would they need a "Read Psychic Magic" spell to do something like that?

I'm not exactly sure what you are asking here.


Occult Adventures specifies that Psychic scrolls are a separate class of scrolls from Arcane and Divine. A wizard can no more use a Psychic scroll of Protection from Evil than he could a Divine scroll.

Psychic Spellbooks don't exist, because the ability to write (arcane) spells in a spellbook is a class ability (part of the Spellbook ability). A sorceror can't write a spellbook either.


Casual Viking wrote:
Psychic Spellbooks don't exist, because the ability to write (arcane) spells in a spellbook is a class ability (part of the Spellbook ability). A sorceror can't write a spellbook either.

Again, one type of psychic spellbook does exist. Blood Arcanists with the Psychic Bloodline would cast psychic spells due to their bloodline, but as Arcanists they would have and use spellbooks.


Gisher wrote:
Casual Viking wrote:
Psychic Spellbooks don't exist, because the ability to write (arcane) spells in a spellbook is a class ability (part of the Spellbook ability). A sorceror can't write a spellbook either.
Again, one type of psychic spellbook does exist. Blood Arcanists with the Psychic Bloodline would cast psychic spells due to their bloodline, but as Arcanists they would have and use spellbooks.

Agreed


Casual Viking wrote:
Occult Adventures specifies that Psychic scrolls are a separate class of scrolls from Arcane and Divine.

Where in the book is this? I couldn't find it. Also, a psychic magic user can presumably create scrolls, since they apparently exist. What about wands, staves, rings, and rods? Do such exist for psychic magic?


Ed Reppert wrote:
Where in the book is this? I couldn't find it.

In the scroll section of Occult Rewards "Scrolls are divided based on the type of magic used to create the scroll; psychic spellcasters create psychic scrolls in much the same way arcane spellcasters create arcane scrolls and divine spellcasters create divine scrolls."

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What about wands, staves, rings, and rods? Do such exist for psychic magic?

Those magic items aren't tied to any type of magic.


I don't have the book in front of me, but here is Mark Seifter's comment on this issue.

Mark Seifter wrote:
Barker wrote:

Do psychic potions exist? I noticed there's no mention of them in the book.

Oh and wands too.

They do. The reason scrolls get mentioned and they don't is because scrolls needed clarification on how they work, given spell completion and the components of a psychic spell, whereas spell trigger and use-activated just work normally.

Shadow Lodge

Dark Psion wrote:

None of the Occultic classes need spellbooks, but since the spells can be recorded as Scrolls, can they also be recorded in an occultic spellbook?

Can a Psychic spell that is also on the list of an Arcane or Divine caster be translated to an Arcane or Divine form? Or would they need a "Read Psychic Magic" spell to do something like that?

Yes, Arcane Anthology introduces the concept of spellbooks for spont casters and occult spellcasters as well. They call them Meditation books.

Dark Archive

Casual Viking wrote:

Occult Adventures specifies that Psychic scrolls are a separate class of scrolls from Arcane and Divine. A wizard can no more use a Psychic scroll of Protection from Evil than he could a Divine scroll.

Psychic Spellbooks don't exist, because the ability to write (arcane) spells in a spellbook is a class ability (part of the Spellbook ability). A sorceror can't write a spellbook either.

True, but sorcerers can buy a spellbook and use it as a encoded cook book while pretending to be a wizard. I've done this, and it not only saved the party after we got captured and locked in a room which only magic could get us out of... but the party was going "What the... How the HELL did you cast burning hands?! You were out of spells!"


Gisher wrote:
Casual Viking wrote:
Psychic Spellbooks don't exist, because the ability to write (arcane) spells in a spellbook is a class ability (part of the Spellbook ability). A sorceror can't write a spellbook either.
Again, one type of psychic spellbook does exist. Blood Arcanists with the Psychic Bloodline would cast psychic spells due to their bloodline, but as Arcanists they would have and use spellbooks.

Does that spellbook exist though? The Psychic Bloodline says you cast your Sorcerer spells as psychic. Why would that affect your Arcanist's spells?

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