redeeming question


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When you are redeeming a card at the end of one of the scenarios, (i.e. One character may redeem a card), can you check off any card? does the chosen character have to own it? Can you just randomly check of "Lexicon of Paradox" or "Stalker's Bow" because it sounds cool and you vaguely like books/bows?

Can you save the redemption for when you know what you want to redeem? We're running into an issue where all of the corrupted cards we've seen don't seem that great in terms of redemption.

My slightly cheatery brain also wants to ask, if we can't save up the redemption, what cards SHOULD we redeem?


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There are no restrictions in that case, just check off a box. When there are restrictions, the card will let you know what they are (such as Corruption Forge requiring that it be in your hand). You cannot save the redemption for later - it is use it or lose it.


viresium wrote:


My slightly cheatery brain also wants to ask, if we can't save up the redemption, what cards SHOULD we redeem?

If you COULD save it (which you can't), you would want to choose Black Robe.

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Hold on a bit, please. We will discuss.


Good, because there's a parallel question we have to ask in the OP forums about a similar thing with OP (playing scenarios out of order and redemption in those cases)


Wow, that's crazy. I logged in here to ask the very same question. We beat that scenario right around when the OP posted this! According to the text on the card, it seemed like any card, but conceptually that made no sense to us (how can you redeem something you don't have, or don't even know exists?), so we went with cards that we possessed at the end of the scenario. We would definitely change our minds, however, if it turned out we could pick any card listed on the Redemption card.


Cool I was waiting for someone else to ask that question.
We were debating a house rule here and there was many options :
- can only redeem a boon you have in hand at the time of redemption
- can only redeem a boon you have in your extended deck (hand, deck, discard, bury, display...) at the time of redemption
- can only redeem a boon you have acquired at some point (*)
- can only redeem a boon you have encountered at some point
- can only redeem a boon that went into the box at some point (i. e. pretty much = of a AP number that you already started or are about to start)
- can redeem anything (because everybody ask heard one day of the Necronomicon and if you have the opportunity to redeem it you certainly want to do that even if you never ever have a chance to approach it)

Thematicaly, each could make sense with a good story.
In terms of game balance and more importantly of game fun, Mike is the man that will spread the word of knowledge on us.

(*) My own favorite, because it gives a sense of exploration and goal : kind of side quest "let's acquire those items to study them, then we will be able to reddem them, and then maybe banish them if too dangerous or useless for us".


I feel it adds to the challenge. Should really only be able to redeem stuff you've found (and painstakingly held on to while waiting for the opportunity to redeem). A side quest .. Exactly.


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Zenarius wrote:
I feel it adds to the challenge. Should really only be able to redeem stuff you've found (and painstakingly held on to while waiting for the opportunity to redeem). A side quest .. Exactly.

Flavor-wise, I'd agree. Rules-wise, I would not since at the moment there are no restrictions on the redemption. We shall see what Mike and co come up with in a while to see if this is actually going to change.

Oh, and flavor-wise, some of those things just straight-up should never be redeemable in the first place (hi Book of the Damned), so there's that too :)


Makes sense.. I get the rules as written point as well.. He he .. Sneaky players ..

If the book of the dammed is equivalent to the necronomicon .. Just picking it up without the proper incantation *cough* should summon an undead army promo card for entire team to battle...


An Army of Darkness?


Zenarius wrote:
...If the book of the dammed is equivalent to the necronomicon .. Just picking it up without the proper incantation *cough* should summon an undead army promo card for entire team to battle...

Well we even tried to redeem the Corrupted blessings (but naughty not-this-Mike rightfully stopped us), so nothing can stop us because we are mighty mythic heroes (so it seems).


Frencois wrote:
Zenarius wrote:
...If the book of the dammed is equivalent to the necronomicon .. Just picking it up without the proper incantation *cough* should summon an undead army promo card for entire team to battle...
Well we even tried to redeem the Corrupted blessings (but naughty not-this-Mike rightfully stopped us), so nothing can stop us because we are mighty mythic heroes (so it seems).

We hadn't really looked at the redemption list until it was time to redeem the first card, and were quite surprised not to be able to redeem blessings - although on reflection it actually makes a lot of sense thematically.


Any official word on this? Definitely curious for clarification before we run into too many redemption options!


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silentchris wrote:
Any official word on this? Definitely curious for clarification before we run into too many redemption options!

By RAW there aren't restrictions. Mike, Vic, and them look to still be deliberating on whether or not that is intended and if not, what the resolution should be. The fact Mike said to please hold indicates that he likely intended there to be some sort of restriction on it. However, it may still be a few weeks before we get any sort of official word on the matter.

If you want to play conservatively, limit yourself to redeeming cards that you've acquired. It is unlikely that any eventual resolution will be stricter than that, and on the flip side quite possible that any eventual resolution will be more lax about it. Doing it that way would therefore ensure you don't need to retcon anything if/when an updated wording comes out.


skizzerz wrote:
...Doing it that way would therefore ensure you don't need to retcon anything if/when an updated wording comes out.

Hope Mike won't take remembering the past into account.

I really rather have a definitive rule that is thematicaly and funwise perfect, even if it means we played it wrong before or have to adapt the past, rather than a not-so-perfect one just because there would be no past issue.


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I doubt any eventual resolution will require you to modify past choices, but some people may feel obligated to do exactly that anyway to remove the perception that they did it wrong or something. If it isn't too onerous, I'll likely revisit it myself should it come to that.


Our group is putting off the "redeeming" scenario of the 3d adventure until this question is answered. We are silly that way, we like to know the exact letter of the rules before we house-rule them :)

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Added to FAQ.


Vic Wertz wrote:
Added to FAQ.

Well, crap, my group's been simply checking off cards on the list regardless of whether or not we had them.

Next playthrough we'll do things the right way, but as it stands without knowing when we'll have the opportunity to redeem cards we'll stick with the way we've been doing things.

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