Order of Readied Actions


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This happened in a game.

During a combat, a wizard cast wall of force around her team plus 1 PC intending to nuke that PC. However the PC dimension door'd out of the wall.

PC's decide to ready actions to attack wizard and her demonic strike force when the wall comes down. They don't have the capability of taking the wall down. Wizard doesn't want to dismiss wall since it takes a standard action and she would be blasted if she did so. So she simply lets the wall of force run out its duration. While she's waiting, she and the rest of her forces ready actions to attack the PCs when the wall comes down.

Wall eventually runs out of duration. Who gets to attack first? I ruled that everyone just rerolls initiative at that time, but I'm not sure that's how the rules operate.


whoever readied first acts first.


It's a bit of a grey area, but this section from the Initiative section seems most appropriate.

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If two or more combatants have the same initiative check result, the combatants who are tied act in order of total initiative modifier (highest first). If there is still a tie, the tied characters should roll to determine which one of them goes before the other.

Grand Lodge

Pathfinder Adventure Path Subscriber

I'd run with Chess Pwn's verson myself.

Melkiador's runs into a problem if someone readied on (say) init 5 last round and someone else on init 25 this round, the latter would go first if they both triggered on 20, which doesn't seem right.


If I'm the first to ready I'm the first to react to the trigger. Initiative has already been set when combat started so anything dealing with initiative isn't used.


If you're both reading actions and just waiting for the wall to go down to fight, I would completely reroll initiative. It's practically an entire new fight at that point. Plus the "I said I would ready an action first!" would get headache inducing because player's would start trying to yell it as quickly as possible to automatically win initiative.


Pathfinder Starfinder Society Subscriber

Would the monsters have an advantage in this case since the wizard would know better than anyone else exactly when the wall is coming down? If so, you could simply have the monsters go first ahead of the PCs.


You can only ready an action on your turn. Thus the first person to ready their action triggers first.


David knott 242 wrote:

Would the monsters have an advantage in this case since the wizard would know better than anyone else exactly when the wall is coming down? If so, you could simply have the monsters go first ahead of the PCs.

I might give him a +2 circumstance bonus unless the party can identify the spell as it was cast.

Chess Pwn wrote:
You can only ready an action on your turn. Thus the first person to ready their action triggers first.

My argument is that combat ends while everybody waits and then initiative is rerolled when the wall falls.

Long story short, this is not covered in the rules. You're in DM fiat territory and everybody is going to give you a different opinion; nobody's is going to be necessarily right or wrong.


There is also an issue of Person A readies an action for when the wall comes down, but Person B readies an action for when person A does something. So, B would go before A, because his trigger interrupts A. And then Person C readies to act when B acts, and so on.

But this is again far too headache inducing, so that's why I prefer to just go with the same initiative check ruling.

Scarab Sages

CampinCarl9127 wrote:
Chess Pwn wrote:
You can only ready an action on your turn. Thus the first person to ready their action triggers first.
My argument is that combat ends while everybody waits and then initiative is rerolled when the wall falls.

Thats a really weird statement to make, given that he responded to a completely different statement by you, where you claimed that his position was that the first person to scream that he readied an action gets the first action, which was not his position at all.

I agree with your approach and would use a new initiative to determine reaction time to the wall coming down an unknown period of time later. Mainly because you can not retain optimal readiness over several minutes. But until you suggested it, I was in ChessPwn's camp because in a less ridiculous situation that's exactly what I have ruled (when multiple people have the same trigger, the person to ready first goes first). This was the first time I've encountered where those readies would have happened minutes after the trigger was set.

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