dragonic bloodrager and the sorcerer vmc question


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If you were a dragonic bloodline bloodrager and took the sorcerer vmc would the natural armor bonus from both bloodlines stack or over lap?

Bloodrager level 4 dragonic bloodline ability

Draconic Resistance (Ex): At 4th level, you gain resistance 5 against your energy type and a +1 natural armor bonus to AC. At 8th level, your energy resistance increases to 10 and your natural armor bonus increases to +2. At 16th level, your natural armor bonus increases to +4.

Sorcerer level 3 ability

Dragon Resistances (Ex): At 3rd level, you gain resist 5 against your energy type and a +1 natural armor bonus. At 9th level, your energy resistance increases to 10 and natural armor bonus increases to +2. At 15th level, your natural armor bonus increases to +4.

I realize that you would get the better of the energy resistances
But i'm not sure about the natural armor bonuses.

Any help would be appreciated.
I thank you in advance for any help provided.


They are natural armor bonuses, so they shouldn't stack. I think some natural armor things will call out that they do increase or stack with your current natural armor, but neither of these appear to do so.


Let me explain the diffrent natural armor bonuses with a dragon, but of course you can apply this to any other creature.

There is the flat natural armor like the scales from a dragon.
Then there is natural armor bonus think about it like the scales/skin becoming unnatural/magicaly hard/resilient.
Dragons are by nature heavy armored and resilent so they "can" get a size bonus to natural armor.
And at last there is the "only" magical enhancement bonus to natural armor a dragon could get for example with items. It makes the scales look shiny and clean.^^
Thats how i try to remember the diffrent bonuses.

All of these can/would stack.
the first is only called natural armor (flat and undefined)
the second ist called natural armor bonus (undefined "magical" bonus)
the third is called a size bonus to natural armor (look at the spell "form of the Dragon")
and the last is called an enhancement bonus to natural armor.

But of course they can/would not stack with themselves.

So no, there are both "natural armor bonuses" in your case so they would not stack. The easyiest way for you to get a stacking armor bonus would be lvls of dragon disciple. Or the amulet of natural armor.

ps: no gm should have a problem if you dont let your character or any other creature "grow" scales or something with the "magical" bonus, because you dont have to it is still a "magical" bonus. On the other hand the flat natural armor should always be visible in some way.
pps: the beastiary does not always call out the first 3 diffrent natural armor bonuses and just puts them together as natural armor or base natural armor. And thats why there is so much confusion.

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