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The FAQ you quoted doesn't apply to the lance. This FAQ specifically about the lance does though.
"Power Attack: If I am using a two-handed weapon with one hand (such as a lance while mounted), do still I get the +50% damage for using a two-handed weapon?
Yes."
The lance isn't wielded as a one-handed weapon, it's still treated as a two-handed weapon. You just happen to be able to wield it in one hand while mounted.
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Ok. Those two FAQs seem contradictory to me. :) But there's enough concensus against it that I won't worry about it.
What situation do you think the FAQ I linked does apply to? (Just the Pahalnx Fighter?)
The Thunder and Fang feat that allows you to wield an earthbreaker one-handed, probably bastard swords / dwarven waraxes just for clarity's sake, the Phalanx Fighter, probably a couple other things that aren't coming to mind at the moment.
So hang on, we have a category of two handed weapons: A.
A has a property: If you're wielding it in one hand, treat it as a one-handed weapon for the purpose of...the Power Attack damage bonus
A also has property: If wielding it in one hand, treat it as two-handed for Power Attack damage.
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I'm so confused; I think I finally comprehend the sensation of "can't even".
In slightly less farsical replies: I understand the deliniation is that the former requires a special ability to be in play and the latter refers to the situation of being mounted. The thing is, the brackets areguably should mean the sentence works without that reference. Meaning our deliniation is by special abilities only. Which are the only other way to use a two-handed weapon one-handed.
I do feel this is very contradictory. Kind of have to ask:
In some situations, a two-handed weapon wielded one-handed functions as a one-handed weapon when interacting with strength, power attack, and so on. In others, a two-handed weapon interacts as a two-handed weapon. What determines the difference?
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I think it depends on tiny variations of verbage. Phalanx Soldier and Thunder and Fang both state that the weapon is wielded as a one-handed weapon, so the first FAQ would apply. The lance doesn't contain the specific verbage changing its designation from a two-handed weapon to a one-handed weapon, so you still treat it as a two-handed weapon, just one that happens to only require one hand if you're mounted.
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In some situations, a two-handed weapon wielded one-handed functions as a one-handed weapon when interacting with strength, power attack, and so on. In others, a two-handed weapon interacts as a two-handed weapon. What determines the difference?
It's the verbiage.
A lance deals double damage when used from the back of a charging mount. While mounted, you can wield a lance with one hand.
At 3rd level, when a phalanx soldier wields a shield, he can use any polearm or spear of his size as a one-handed weapon.
In the lance's case you can just wield it with one hand but it remains a two-handed weapon.
In the case of the phalanx soldier you actually wield it AS a one-handed weapon, so for you it is, in all respects, a one-handed weapon.
Thank you both. That's a lot of help. The deliniation is specifically:
"Wield X with one hand" vs "Wield X as a one-handed weapon" then
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Thank you both. That's a lot of help. The deliniation is specifically:
"Wield X with one hand" vs "Wield X as a one-handed weapon" then
Here's the Two-Weapon Fighting rules, and here's the rules about two-handed weapons. Since the TWF rules assume that you can't wield a two-handed weapon in one hand, they never actually specify that you have to be wielding two one-handed or light weapons, so the ridiculousnes that is dual-wielding lances is still potentially viable. They'd both just count as two-handed weapons, and you'd need something like Pounce or Mounted Skirmisher to use them in any round your mount moves more than 5 feet. You'd also have to wait until you were mounted to have a hand free for the second lance :P
Here's the Two-Weapon Fighting rules, and here's the rules about two-handed weapons. Since the TWF rules assume that you can't wield a two-handed weapon in one hand, they never actually specify that you have to be wielding two one-handed or light weapons, so the ridiculousnes that is dual-wielding lances is still potentially viable. They'd both just count as two-handed weapons, and you'd need something like Pounce or Mounted Skirmisher to use them in any round your mount moves more than 5 feet. You'd also have to wait until you were mounted to have a hand free for the second lance :PThank you both. That's a lot of help. The deliniation is specifically:
"Wield X with one hand" vs "Wield X as a one-handed weapon" then
My can of worms was in reference partially to the interpretation I've seen elsewhere taken as gospel, that an alchemist can't dual-wield greatswords with their arms. And that you can't use a two-handed weapon with armour spikes.
That said, it was totally and utterly facetious.
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My can of worms was in reference partially to the interpretation I've seen elsewhere taken as gospel, that an alchemist can't dual-wield greatswords with their arms. And that you can't use a two-handed weapon with armour spikes.
That said, it was totally and utterly facetious.
I know you're being facetious, but.... There's actually a FAQ about the two-handers and armor spikes thing. There's an underlying design assumption of "hands worth of effort" that has little to do with the actual number of hands involved. Presumably, dual-wielding lances would be a violation of this underlying principle, if not the actual rules.
I know you're being facetious, but.... There's actually a FAQ about the two-handers and armor spikes thing. There's an underlying design assumption of "hands worth of effort" that has little to do with the actual number of hands involved. Presumably, dual-wielding lances would be a violation of this underlying principle, if not the actual rules.My can of worms was in reference partially to the interpretation I've seen elsewhere taken as gospel, that an alchemist can't dual-wield greatswords with their arms. And that you can't use a two-handed weapon with armour spikes.
That said, it was totally and utterly facetious.
Which was kind of why I said I assume you can't. If lances act as two-handed, then presumably they maintain the requirement of two "hands of effort" with each use.
My claim it's a can of worms is just because I find the ruling clunky, weird, and irritating.
There are two things to remember here:
1) Specific trumps general
According to this concept, the FAQ that is both about the lance and specifically mentions the lance trumps the more general statement of "two handed weapons wielded with one hand," and therefore is the rule that takes effect.
2) FAQs are meant to be read narrowly.
The FAQ about wielding two handed weapons with one hand specifically calls out feats and special abilities. You can always wield an appropriately sized lance from the back of an appropriately sized mount in one hand (but not as a one handed weapon), no feat or special ability required. It's an intrinsic part of a lance. The FAQ in question doesn't apply to the lance for two reasons:
a) The scope of the FAQ doesn't cover the lance in one hand rule, because it's not granted by a feat or special ability
b) Even it is was within the scope, the lance is only WIELDED in one hand, not TREATED as (or considered) a one handed weapon, which again, isn't covered by the FAQ
(I was sure there was a third reason, but I can't seem to figure out what is was)
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I think it depends on tiny variations of verbage. Phalanx Soldier and Thunder and Fang both state that the weapon is wielded as a one-handed weapon, so the first FAQ would apply. The lance doesn't contain the specific verbage changing its designation from a two-handed weapon to a one-handed weapon, so you still treat it as a two-handed weapon, just one that happens to only require one hand if you're mounted.
I would say it is still a two handed weapon, but your mount's back / shoulder is supplying one of the hands. :)
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....must find way to duel wield lance charge/pounce...
Well, a buckler is a shield, right? So.
Phalanx soldier 3, Equip a buckler, you are now wearing a shield and treat all spears (lance is a spear according to fighter weapon groups) as 1 handed. Buckler allows you to wield a weapon in that hand (at a small penalty.)
Barbarian 10, for greater Beast Totem.
Use the feat chain that gets you an animal companion to get a mount.
(Yes, this is complete cheese.)