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At 11th level a Treesinger may wildshape into a Tiny, Small, Medium or Large sized plant creature as per Plant Shape I (you don't get Plant Shape II until 12th level).
When you cast this spell you can assume the form of any Small or Medium creature of the plant type. If the form you assume has any of the following abilities, you gain the listed ability: darkvision 60 feet, low-light vision, constrict, grab, and poison. If the form you assume does not possess the ability to move, your speed is reduced to 5 feet and you lose all other forms of movement. If the creature has vulnerability to an element, you gain that vulnerability.
Since the spell doesn't grant you a Fly speed or maneuverability (like Beast Shape or Elemental Body do), it doesn't look like wildshaping into a Puffball would grant you that ability, either.
On top of that, I can't find stats for a Puffball on the PRD. I may be missing them, but it looks like they're only statted out as Treesinger Companions.
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So why can the regular druids who use beast shape I be allowed to gain flying if the creature has flying, but plant druids can't? I know the spell says you can't but that so seems unfair. Any chance they did a typo and left that part out, since plant shape and beast shape seem pretty much similar in writing?
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Beast shape spell includes flight as an option. Plant shape does not.
I do not believe any of the Plants in the Bestiary can fly so it wasn't necessary to include it at the time.
In a home game I would suggest allowing these shape to gain flight in a similar pattern to the beast shape spells (Plant Shape 1 Fly 30 (average) for example).
In PFS I don't think you will be able to fly as a plant. Fortunately you do, as a druid, have access to air walk if needed.
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There is a plant in the Advance Race Guide the puffball that can fly. I was wondering if they might do an errata. Also don't some of the sea plants get water breathing? It also doesn't hurt to ask Paizo if they might do an errata , since they have new plant creatures now. I mean things change so why not update things to correspond with the changes?
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Do you have the link for the errata?
Errata is always available on the product's page.
Maybe they were over looked? Can't they just add the change to the prd for the spell?
Again, you're assuming there's an error. If the Developers were aware of an error, it likely got addressed during this update. Which means two things: either there is no error, or they were unaware of it.
I'm leaning towards the former. The abilities you gain from all the various spells (Form of the Dragon, Elemental Body, Beast Shape, Plant Shape, Vermin Shape) are different. There's nothing to indicate there's an error with Plant Shape, specifically.
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"If the form you assume does not possess the ability to move, your speed is reduced to 5 feet and you lose all other forms of movement." It doesn't mention what happens if the form you assume does have the ability to move, but instead it mentions if it doesn't.
Because polymorph rules handles giving you the movement speeds and stripping you of your own. But doesn't say what to do if there are none. So plat shape does.
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So if you use beast shape then you gain all the forms of movement the shape you take has, plus the ones you had before you changed according to what you're saying James, while plant shape takes all your movements away and sticks you with what? It doesn't mention you get the plant forms movement from the plant that you take the form of. See by wording the plant shape 1 says "If the form you assume does not possess the ability to move, your speed is reduced to 5 feet and you lose all other forms of movement." Are they not saying that if the plant form you assume posses the ability to move you get it? I mean all the plant monsters don't have a movement of 5 ft. Nowhere in the plant shape spell does it say you get the plants movement, because it only says if it doesn't posses a movement you get a movement speed of 5ft, and lose all other forms of movement. Also what movement speed do you get from the polymorph rules you are talking about?
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according to what you're saying James
No, that isn't what I'm saying.
Polymorph 101:
You lose all movement you had from your natural form first.
You gain all movements listed in the spell if the form has those movements and it is limited by the form or the spell whichever is lower.
If the spell doesn't grant any fancy movements (flying, burrow, climb) then you just get the base speed of the form.
Example:
Plant Shape to Vegepygmy
Base Speed 40 of caster
Polymorph: Speed 30 ft.
Base Speed 20 of caster
Polymorph: Speed 30 ft.
Do you still get the plant traits, since your a plant now?
I think at this point it is very apparent you need to
1) Read the magic school Transmutation (and Polymorph)2) Read the spell
3) Do what each says, instead of trying to make them do what you think they should.
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Do you still get the plant traits, since your a plant now?
No. You are not a plant when under the effects of plant shape. Polymorph effects do not change your type or subtype. If you started as a Humanoid (Human) you are still a Humanoid(Human) after taking the form of an assassin vine. You are just wearing a very realistic assassin vine suit.
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if the plant has speed 30 and climb 30 then you would only get speed 30 and no climb speed correct?
Correct
Do you still get the plant traits, since your a plant now?
Nope. I'm curious why you think you would? You don't turn into a plant. You just dress up as one. If you are an elf druid treesinger, you are still an elf while looking like a treant. You still are a valid target for hold person and cause fear.