Can I give my Eidolon a wayfinder?


Rules Questions

Sovereign Court

Is there a reason why the Eidolon can't have a wayfinder to get the extra from Ioun stone/s?

thanks

Sczarni

It's a slotless item, so probably.

But, due to the whole "sharing items thing", I wouldn't think a Summoner and their Eidolon could both benefit from different Wayfinders.

Also, flagged for the Rules Forum.

Grand Lodge

Nefreet wrote:

It's a slotless item, so probably.

But, due to the whole "sharing items thing", I wouldn't think a Summoner and their Eidolon could both benefit from different Wayfinders.

Also, flagged for the Rules Forum.

"sharing items thing"?

Grand Lodge

I could see a reasonable ruling either way.

RAW summoners only can't share slots and wayfinders aren't slotted. But they are one resonance per PC, and I can see ruling that a summoner shares it's master's resonance.

Grand Lodge

On the other hand, since the Pathfinder Society frowns on giving your pathfinder away to non members, how do they feel about giving it away to a summoned outsider.


claudekennilol wrote:
Nefreet wrote:

It's a slotless item, so probably.

But, due to the whole "sharing items thing", I wouldn't think a Summoner and their Eidolon could both benefit from different Wayfinders.

"sharing items thing"?

It's buried in the APG Eidolon description. Many people are unaware of it:

APG Summoner wrote:
magic items interfere with the summoner's connection to his eidolon. As a result, the summoner and his eidolon share magic item slots. For example, if the summoner is wearing a ring, his eidolon can wear no more than one ring. In case of a conflict, the items worn by the summoner remain active, and those used by the eidolon become dormant. The eidolon must possess the appropriate appendages to utilize a magic item.

I am unaware if the Unchained Summoner removed this limitation.


No getting resonance in your resonance.

Grand Lodge

The unchained summoner does not have the shared item limitation.


Ah, then, Wayfinders away!


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ironcladone wrote:
The unchained summoner does not have the shared item limitation.

Untrue

From unchaned pg 29

Link (Ex): A summoner and his eidolon share a mental link that allows for communication across any distance (as long as they are on the same plane). This communication is a free action, allowing the summoner to give orders to his eidolon at any time. In addition, magic items interfere with the summoner’s connection to his eidolon. As a result, the summoner and his eidolon share magic item slots. For example, if the summoner is wearing a ring, his eidolon can wear no more than one ring. In case of a conflict, the items worn by the summoner remain active, and those used by the eidolon become dormant. The eidolon must possess the appropriate appendages to use a magic item.

Grand Lodge

Yup, I was going to point that out.

Dark Archive

Hmm, my summoner's Eidolon carries the Wayfinder (because she is much better at navigation and uses it as an actual compass), but I've always portrayed it as the two of them sharing it and considering themselves common members of the society (heck, the Eidolon does most of the reporting). I'd personally think it would work to have both get resonance, since it's an effect of a slotless item.

Grand Lodge

Why would one ioun stone/wayfinder work on two separate creatures? I'll admit I'm not all that familiar with the summoner as I've never made one so there could very well be some class feature I'm not aware of that may make this obvious.

(only one that really interests me is the synthesist and they're banned for obvious reasons)


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FLite wrote:

I could see a reasonable ruling either way.

RAW summoners only can't share slots and wayfinders aren't slotted. But they are one resonance per PC, and I can see ruling that a summoner shares it's master's resonance.

I don't know about anybody else, but given the way I have often seen summoners played, I'm really digging this Freudian slip. :-)

Grand Lodge

Claude, I don't think anyone is arguing that one wayfinder would give both of them the benefit. The argument is that if each one carries a wayfinder, they cancel each other out, the same way it would if one creature carried two wayfinders.

Based on this:

Quote:


magic items interfere with the summoner's connection to his eidolon. As a result, the summoner and his eidolon share magic item slots. For example, if the summoner is wearing a ring, his eidolon can wear no more than one ring. In case of a conflict, the items worn by the summoner remain active, and those used by the eidolon become dormant. The eidolon must possess the appropriate appendages to utilize a magic item.

and the assertion that "wayfinder resonance" is effectively a "slot" (in that a given character can only benefit from one at a time.

Grand Lodge

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FLite wrote:
Claude, I don't think anyone is arguing that one wayfinder would give both of them the benefit. The argument is that if each one carries a wayfinder, they cancel each other out, the same way it would if one creature carried two wayfinders.

Oh ok. That makes more sense. I wasn't thinking of that interaction along with the information that summoners/eidolons share item slots.

Yeah, that's definitely a tough question. I'd say that since they're separate creatures and wayfinders are slotless, they could still each have their own because "a resonating wayfinder" doesn't have a slot, even if it does fake itself like a slot.

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At my table:

Wayfinders are slotless items. There is no "wayfinder slot". The summoner and her eidolon may both place ioun stones into their own wayfinders.

If you want to rule differently at your PFS table, go right ahead.

Silver Crusade

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Agreed. Slotless. They can each benefit from their respective wayfinders/ioun stones.

Also, rules question, rules forum, yadda yadda yadda.

Grand Lodge

Berinor wrote:
FLite wrote:

I could see a reasonable ruling either way.

RAW summoners only can't share slots and wayfinders aren't slotted. But they are one resonance per PC, and I can see ruling that a summoner shares it's master's resonance.

I don't know about anybody else, but given the way I have often seen summoners played, I'm really digging this Freudian slip. :-)

heh. Fair enough.

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