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Nefreet wrote:"sharing items thing"?It's a slotless item, so probably.
But, due to the whole "sharing items thing", I wouldn't think a Summoner and their Eidolon could both benefit from different Wayfinders.
It's buried in the APG Eidolon description. Many people are unaware of it:
magic items interfere with the summoner's connection to his eidolon. As a result, the summoner and his eidolon share magic item slots. For example, if the summoner is wearing a ring, his eidolon can wear no more than one ring. In case of a conflict, the items worn by the summoner remain active, and those used by the eidolon become dormant. The eidolon must possess the appropriate appendages to utilize a magic item.
I am unaware if the Unchained Summoner removed this limitation.
| Azouth |
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The unchained summoner does not have the shared item limitation.
Untrue
From unchaned pg 29
Link (Ex): A summoner and his eidolon share a mental link that allows for communication across any distance (as long as they are on the same plane). This communication is a free action, allowing the summoner to give orders to his eidolon at any time. In addition, magic items interfere with the summoner’s connection to his eidolon. As a result, the summoner and his eidolon share magic item slots. For example, if the summoner is wearing a ring, his eidolon can wear no more than one ring. In case of a conflict, the items worn by the summoner remain active, and those used by the eidolon become dormant. The eidolon must possess the appropriate appendages to use a magic item.
Akari Sayuri "Tiger Lily"
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Hmm, my summoner's Eidolon carries the Wayfinder (because she is much better at navigation and uses it as an actual compass), but I've always portrayed it as the two of them sharing it and considering themselves common members of the society (heck, the Eidolon does most of the reporting). I'd personally think it would work to have both get resonance, since it's an effect of a slotless item.
claudekennilol
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Why would one ioun stone/wayfinder work on two separate creatures? I'll admit I'm not all that familiar with the summoner as I've never made one so there could very well be some class feature I'm not aware of that may make this obvious.
(only one that really interests me is the synthesist and they're banned for obvious reasons)
| Berinor |
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I could see a reasonable ruling either way.
RAW summoners only can't share slots and wayfinders aren't slotted. But they are one resonance per PC, and I can see ruling that a summoner shares it's master's resonance.
I don't know about anybody else, but given the way I have often seen summoners played, I'm really digging this Freudian slip. :-)
FLite
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Claude, I don't think anyone is arguing that one wayfinder would give both of them the benefit. The argument is that if each one carries a wayfinder, they cancel each other out, the same way it would if one creature carried two wayfinders.
Based on this:
magic items interfere with the summoner's connection to his eidolon. As a result, the summoner and his eidolon share magic item slots. For example, if the summoner is wearing a ring, his eidolon can wear no more than one ring. In case of a conflict, the items worn by the summoner remain active, and those used by the eidolon become dormant. The eidolon must possess the appropriate appendages to utilize a magic item.
and the assertion that "wayfinder resonance" is effectively a "slot" (in that a given character can only benefit from one at a time.
claudekennilol
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Claude, I don't think anyone is arguing that one wayfinder would give both of them the benefit. The argument is that if each one carries a wayfinder, they cancel each other out, the same way it would if one creature carried two wayfinders.
Oh ok. That makes more sense. I wasn't thinking of that interaction along with the information that summoners/eidolons share item slots.
Yeah, that's definitely a tough question. I'd say that since they're separate creatures and wayfinders are slotless, they could still each have their own because "a resonating wayfinder" doesn't have a slot, even if it does fake itself like a slot.
FLite
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FLite wrote:I don't know about anybody else, but given the way I have often seen summoners played, I'm really digging this Freudian slip. :-)I could see a reasonable ruling either way.
RAW summoners only can't share slots and wayfinders aren't slotted. But they are one resonance per PC, and I can see ruling that a summoner shares it's master's resonance.
heh. Fair enough.