Become a fan of WotR


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We just got only 45 fans right now...

Can this be? So many fans post here.
Looks like they dont confess to the game.

Go to confession and become a fan right now! ;-)


The CALL for FANS works... We are now 47.


I like WoTR 10x more the Skull and Shackles. Yes parts are harder but that means using your resources wiser. Yes this means I have failed more scenario's and have 1 friends and 1 of my characters die, but unless someone needs too finish off a season 0 character the remaining season 0 of mine are done as is.

Silver Crusade

RotR was fine. Or OK. Too easy.
WotR does it right. Not too easy. Not too hard. Just that you are in the brink of the death all the time and you win with only couple of blessings left.

Love it. I'm a fan.

You nailed it Mike.


Actual fan news:

RotR: 1378
SS: 192
WotR: 51


What is the point of becoming a fan of a game on BGG?

Does it affect the game's rating? Affect what notifications you get sent? Affect award nominations?

As far as I can remember I'm not a fan of any games on BGG - never really saw any need / benefit


I am not a BGG expert. As far as I know it also affects the hotness as well as the game rank on BGG. And of course, for an outsider it reflects the popularity and the sale numbers of the game. Do you want to start/buy a game which only has 1 fan?

RotR was the PACG debut. If you look at this fan number which is incredible high.
With SS it dropped down till hell/abyss.

Now we are THERE, hopefully with WotR, the fan numbers increase again. So there is a positive increasing trend of fans... Only then Paizo continues the game series until my twins are old enough to play the actual PACG path module. That is what I wish for.

Please help me in supporting my mission ;-)

Grand Lodge

Myfly, the problem with BGG and ratings is that I've noticed you can rate games even before they come out.

I'm a big fan of Dice Masters and that is definitely one where people were rating some of the sets prior to them hitting the streets. So just because a person is a fan or has rated something on BGG doesn't go far in my book. Games that I've personally hated have been rated far higher on BGG than I would have ever given them.

This mission is just plain silly ... again.


Stormrune, I did not ask you to rate the game, but to "become a fan" of the game.
Are you a fan of the game?

This mission is not silly, please read ... Again .... carefully what i suggested.

Grand Lodge

Myfly, I know what you asked.

And like MightyJim, I'm wondering why becoming a fan of a game is actually of any purpose. So I pointed out that what most people look at is the rating of the game and not the number of fans. And that the ratings really aren't accurate if you're able to rate a game before it comes out.

So, yes, it is silly. I can become a fan of a 100 different games on BGG and it doesn't really mean a thing. I don't have to own the game. I don't have to have played the game. I clicked an icon. What I do look at on BGG are reviews and descriptions of gameplay.

Amazon is finally realizing and trying to accurately represent ratings of items sold on their site.


I think you're missing the point. Being a BGG fan is a spontaneous reflection of enthusiasm. The declining numbers tell a message that Paizo will undoubtedly see in its sales figures:

RorR: Fantastic, epic fun, character development, must buy.
SS: Somewhat disappointed, ships implemented poorly, recycled characters, too difficult, may or may not buy.
WotR: Mythic powers implemented poorly, recycled characters, even more difficult: will not buy, move on to other games.

Calling WotR owners in the Paizo forum (hardly a representative cross-section of game buyers) to become a BGG fan may increase the fan numbers, but it will not increase sales.

If you want the successor of WotR to become more popular you need to fix the things that people in this forum seem to like, but is off-putting to the casual gamer.


Pathfinder Maps, Pathfinder Accessories Subscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Charter Superscriber; Starfinder Charter Superscriber
bertje wrote:
If you want the successor of WotR to become more popular you need to fix the things that people in this forum seem to like, but is off-putting to the casual gamer.

Which are?


The casual gamer is never going to be able to sustain this product. They won't buy an all new versions of the same game and 5 expansion packs every 9 months. The initial sales of RotR simply aren't replicatable, because casual gamers already own the game.

Paizo needs to focus on establishing a sustained group of fans, essentially subscribers, who will keep buying new versions of the product every 9 months. Yes, the game will pull some new fans, but that's not going to be the bulk of your buyers at this point.


Joshua Birk 898 wrote:
Yes, the game will pull some new fans, but that's not going to be the bulk of your buyers at this point.

It is not much work clicking in BGG the "become a fan" button.

IMO, we must achieve a higher fan number than SS to set a positive signal towards the FUTURE!


Today I went down to the FLGS and saw a new game I thought looked interesting. (Nothing to do with Pathfinder)

I talked to the store owner
I looked at the rating on BGG
I read reviews on BGG
I started watching a video review (until the mother-in-law phoned)

Until coming to this thread, it never occurred to me to look at how many fans it had.

As a general rule, I pay closer attention to the negative things people say about games. There is no such thing as a perfect game, and if someone ever makes one, I doubt I'll believe it until I've played it for myself. I'd rather know what others DIDN'T like about a particular game, to see whether it's the sort of thing that would bother me.


Update
54 fans now!

Grand Lodge

MightyJim, I do that as well.

I have never clicked the Fan icon on any game because I didn't know it was there. I do, however, rate the games I own and/or play because that draws your eye quickly.

And that said, I still haven't clicked a fan icon. And mainly it is because of this thread. Sorry Myfly, but insisting people have to click that fan icon makes some of us (like me) do the opposite. I am a fan. I do love the game. And I express that enjoyment by rating this game well.

Scarab Sages

One reason it might not have more fans is the fact that it's categorized as "unreleased." I posted a request to the mods to edit that info. My guess is that having the game info correct is probably a bigger deal than "thumbs-upping" it.


I asked Aldie what becoming a fan did, did it subscribe you to new threads or any other effect? Nope, that's available under Subscription, he said this is simply a way to show love.

I am not completely sure I have become a fan of any game. I typically give them a rating, a rating of 8 or higher is high praise from me.


Troymk1 wrote:

I asked Aldie what becoming a fan did, .... he said this is simply a way to show love.

Looks like the forum text interpreter omits empty spaces between the letters and in front of them.

..**.....***
**....*....**
..**......**
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.......**

It is far more easy than above...

... Just one CLICK on BGG to "become a fan" of WotR!

Give your heart a little push and CLICK now...


I've never been a huge fan of Board Game Geek. If I have questions about a game, the first people I ask are my real life friends. After all, they're the ones with whom I'll be playing it (or not, making for dusty game boxes with very high scores on BGG). The second place I go are local gaming stores, events, and conventions where I can try the game out and see for myself.

I don't have a lot of interest in reading reviews or play session summaries, and watching videos of them is painfully slow and boring to me. (I really hate videos for things that could be explained in a couple of sentences.) Questions can be helpful if the game doesn't have its own site like this one; I'd rather be on the site for the game than on a fan page.

The most useful thing I've gotten out of the site over the years are replacement rulebook PDFs for older games, the posting of which is (likely) a copyright violation. (Mixed feelings there. :(

I logged in for the first time in a while to see if I'd ever used the Fan button and I have, for one thing. That may have been an accident. Also I had a PM I hadn't read.

Aside: repeated begging to go to another site and click on something is spam, in my opinion.


It is not begging - it is just a way you may support the game for future releases... do whatever you desire.

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer

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Myfly wrote:
And of course, for an outsider it reflects the popularity and the sale numbers of the game.

Estimating even relative sales of a game by looking at BGG ratings would be much like estimating the severity of global climate change by looking out your window.

Scarab Sages

Vic Wertz wrote:
Myfly wrote:
And of course, for an outsider it reflects the popularity and the sale numbers of the game.
Estimating even relative sales of a game by looking at BGG ratings would be much like estimating the severity of global climate change by looking out your window.

*looks out window and ponders*

So if I'm understanding you Vic, Paizo will make this thunderstorm go away if I order something, correct?

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer

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I guarantee it!*

*:
Guarantee not valid at any time.

Scarab Sages

If only I could cast time stop...


58':-)

Thunderstrikes counted so far.

Silver Crusade

Myfly wrote:

58':-)

Thunderstrikes counted so far.

13 fans acquired!

Is your mission successful?

But I do have to emphasize: I really do like the difficulty level. I really need to read the difficulty level blog post again, hopefully the game won't game too easy at any point.


Jan Englund wrote:
Myfly wrote:

58':-)

Thunderstrikes counted so far.

13 fans acquired!

Is your mission successful?

But I do have to emphasize: I really do like the difficulty level. I really need to read the difficulty level blog post again, hopefully the game won't game too easy at any point.

60 and a rise of 15 which is 25% more... ;-)

Scarab Sages

Theryon Stormrune wrote:

So, yes, it is silly. I can become a fan of a 100 different games on BGG and it doesn't really mean a thing. I don't have to own the game. I don't have to have played the game. I clicked an icon. What I do look at on BGG are reviews and descriptions of gameplay.

It is quite silly. It's a "Like us on ALL the socials!" bumper for board games. A literal count of a number of BGG accounts that had the care to push a button to show the smallest shred of support. If it helps push the game to the "Trending" lists, that's awesome.

But hey, I've been meaning to make a BGG account, so why not push a few buttons for some good games while I make my want list.


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Would it count as trolling Myfly if I went and became a fan of Runelords and Skull & Shackles, but not Wrath?


The negativity to BGG continues to bemuse me. The site is almost exclusively user content. It's what people like you and I say, think, or make for the enjoyment of other gamers.

Perhaps people think it is some industry giant that must be spurned, when in actuality it has less than a half dozen staff some of whom only deal with the convention and game library.

The complaints I see here and on other sites just seem churlish.

Having said that, I was also surprised that being a fan of a game doesn't actually do anything (I'm not even sure it even helps promote a game to the hotness. Supposedly it was modelled on the old facebook 'like' a page, which back then didn't mean that page was able to spam your feed.

I used to 'subscribe' to games I was following so I could keep up with rules questions and general discussion. But over time life got too busy and I am more laser focused on which games I can do that with. I will subscribe to the odd thread here and there and my once a day visits to BGG are probably once a week now.

But still, everyone I met in DFW back in 06' was from having such a resource available. And If I ever type a rules question into google invariably it's going to have the answer listed at BGG.

Not bad for a free site.

Scarab Sages

MightyJim wrote:
Would it count as trolling Myfly if I went and became a fan of Runelords and Skull & Shackles, but not Wrath?

Myfly, just for you:


TODAY I WON’T LET THEM PUSH MY BUTTONS.


Calthaer wrote:
MightyJim wrote:
Would it count as trolling Myfly if I went and became a fan of Runelords and Skull & Shackles, but not Wrath?

Myfly, just for you:


TODAY I WON’T LET THEM PUSH MY BUTTONS.

Where do you wanna push? Left or right?


8 to the power of 2

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