hovering at 20ft bad guy...how do we get him down?

[Kayerloth]

No it wouldn't fall but I'm thinking your chance to successfully grapple it plus the fact it can no longer use its Greater Teleport make this a solid plan to attempt. Question becomes how good is the Daze DC vs Daemon's Will save?

Edit: And the not so insignificant fact that 5th to 6th level casters would need someway to use Dazing spell metamagic for a spell slot they actually have.

And, of course, all this talk of Grappling assumes the groups CMB can with some reliability overcome the Daemon's CMD of 35. Truestrike would both add to the CMB and negate any ongoing concealment.

[Rerednaw]

Claxon wrote:

Rerednaw wrote:

I would suggest trying Dazing spells. Dazed = no actions = no hover = fall.

Snowball (SR no) works okay with Dazing metamagic.

That aside, mancatcher + enlarge potion sounds pretty spiffy. :)

That doesn't work. The fly check to hover is not an action.

Quote:

Action: None. A Fly check doesn't require an action; it is made as part of another action or as a reaction to a situation.

Ergo, you've made it lose its action, but it doesn't fall out of the sky.

Ah, well then it is a DC 15 check then. Based my initial thought by a PFS table, should have known the GM was wrong.

[KenderKin]

Who has zero ranged weapons?

[Kayerloth]

KenderKin wrote:

Who has zero ranged weapons?

They did (have ranged ability), topic covered upthread.

The Daemon, however, is also a good ranged damage dealer and forcing it down and into combat would have been a better tactical choice (if accomplished, the point of this thread) than trying to out-range it on a battlefield of its choice. Better in this case than might normally be said of many flying attackers.

[DominusMegadeus]

Rerednaw wrote:

Claxon wrote:

Rerednaw wrote:

I would suggest trying Dazing spells. Dazed = no actions = no hover = fall.

Snowball (SR no) works okay with Dazing metamagic.

That aside, mancatcher + enlarge potion sounds pretty spiffy. :)

That doesn't work. The fly check to hover is not an action.

Quote:

Action: None. A Fly check doesn't require an action; it is made as part of another action or as a reaction to a situation.

Ergo, you've made it lose its action, but it doesn't fall out of the sky.

Ah, well then it is a DC 15 check then. Based my initial thought by a PFS table, should have known the GM was wrong.

It's made as part of another action then.

What other action is the dazed demon taking? None? Then no hover.