Monks and the improvised defense trait


Rules Questions


Does an improvised weapon used to gain a shield bonus via the improvised defense trait count as a shield and makes him lose his Wis bonus to AC?

The idea is to use unarmed strikes and have something in one of my hands to get a shield bonus.

Grand Lodge

Relevant Text:

When wearing armor, using a shield, or carrying a medium or heavy load, a monk loses his AC bonus, as well as his fast movement and flurry of blows abilities.

Note it mentions using a shield, not gaining a shield bonus. So you should be fine with this situation. I am curious though if a Monk of the Open Hand uses a shield as an improvised weapon, does that count?


Taenia wrote:
I am curious though if a Monk of the Open Hand uses a shield as an improvised weapon, does that count?

Only if the shield is strapped on and trying to get a shield bonus to AC. Simply using it as a weapon (improvised or otherwise) is fine to keep the monk AC bonus.


A bit of a derail, but what about a dwarven boulderhelmet? It counts as a weapon but is gives a bonus to AC against crit confirmation checks.


Just a Guess wrote:
A bit of a derail, but what about a dwarven boulderhelmet? It counts as a weapon but is gives a bonus to AC against crit confirmation checks.

Not armor, can't even be enchanted as such. Monk's AC bonus is fine. It's like the equivalent of a monk wearing bracers or wielding a scizore.

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Improvised Defense seems fine for a monk.

The real question is can you wield a real weapon as an improvised weapon?

What is the action to switch between normal and improvised modes?


James Risner wrote:

Improvised Defense seems fine for a monk.

The real question is can you wield a real weapon as an improvised weapon?

What is the action to switch between normal and improvised modes?

I would assume something similar to switching grip from one hand to two (like a cleric using a quarterstaff kinda thing)-free action?

The Exchange Owner - D20 Hobbies

alexd1976 wrote:
I would assume something similar to switching grip from one hand to two (like a cleric using a quarterstaff kinda thing)-free action?

Me too. But I'll need a dev comment or PFS leadership comment. Anyone know any relevant posts?


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James Risner wrote:
The real question is can you wield a real weapon as an improvised weapon?

I believe so, yes. There's no good reason I can't use my wheel-lock pistol as an improvised club. I don't get to use any pistol-related goodies (unless they say otherwise) when I wield it that way, but that's the price you pay.

The Exchange Owner - D20 Hobbies

Slim, I think there were some dev posts related to reach weapons being used in off turns are non-reach improvised. Do you know these links?

- Yes I'd agree you couldn't use the weapon normally when in that form.

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