For lack of a better answer: Yes.
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Size-modifying spells don't stack. You can get, at best, one ACTUAL size increase and one EFFECTIVE size increase. Gravity bow is an effective size increase, Expansion/Enlarge Person are actual size increases.
Assuming you could keep using Expansion to get even larger, you double the damage dice every time you increase past a certain point, but I can't recall where that rule is. Probably somewhere in the Polymorph rules.
I was with you until the 3 and 4 size increase with expansion. Expansion cannot add 3/4 size categories. Since this is the Rules forum, lets stick to the rules.
A Half Giant (medium) manifesting an augmented Expansion (Huge) can wield a crossbow one size larger (Gargantuan) under the effect of Gravity Bow (Colossal).
The rest is home brew/speculation.
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Ah, that jogged my memory. It's Strongjaw that has the specific rule I was thinking of, and you're right, it's doubling every other dice increase.
Laying a hand upon an allied creature's jaw, claws, tentacles, or other natural weapons, you enhance the power of that creature's natural attacks. Each natural attack that creature makes deals damage as if the creature were two sizes larger than it actually is. If the creature is already Gargantuan or Colossal-sized, double the amount of damage dealt by each of its natural attacks instead. This spell does not actually change the creature's size; all of its statistics except the amount of damage dealt by its natural attacks remain unchanged.
While the mundane physical size increase with powerful build works and gravity bow works, expansion with ranged weapons does not work. Once the projectile is shot, it returns back to it's normal sizes.
So, at best, you'll get 2 sizes increases on your medium heavy crossbow.
While the mundane physical size increase with powerful build works and gravity bow works, expansion with ranged weapons does not work. Once the projectile is shot, it returns back to it's normal sizes.
So, at best, you'll get 2 sizes increases on your medium heavy crossbow.
No.
All your equipment, worn or carried, is similarly expanded by this power. Melee and projectile weapons deal more damage.
Other psionic or magical properties are not affected by this power. Any affected item that leaves your possession (including a projectile or thrown weapon) instantly returns to its normal size. This means that thrown weapons deal their normal damage (projectiles deal damage based on the size of the weapon that fired them)
... expansion with ranged weapons does not work. Once the projectile is shot, it returns back to it's normal sizes.
If it is the 3.5 expansion it specifically has a call out that ranged weapons (as opposed to thrown weapons) do damage based on the FIRING weapon, not the ammunition.
Thrown weapons do indeed do lesser damage once thrown but bows stay at the larger damage.
So in fact the expansion increase would work with any type of bow.
Edit: Ninja'd. I was too slow.
As far as expansion is concerned, it does work like enlarge. If you expand the size of the weapon and projectile, and the projectile leaves the power's effect, it reduces in sizes just like enlarge.
However, if you carry around appropriately sized projectiles for your expansioned crossbow, that is a whole different story.
I believe this was an errata, or DSP when they wrote the power were unaware of the enlarge projectile returning to normal FAQ that Pathfinder put into place.
Expansion from Ultimate Psionics:
...Any affected item that leaves your possession
(including a projectile or thrown weapon) instantly returns
to its normal size.
Hell, Samasboy1 even quoted it..but only bolded the part he wanted to see.
As far as expansion is concerned, it does work like enlarge. If you expand the size of the weapon and projectile, and the projectile leaves the power's effect, it reduces in sizes just like enlarge.
However, if you carry around appropriately sized projectiles for your expansioned crossbow, that is a whole different story.
I believe this was an errata, or DSP when they wrote the power were unaware of the enlarge projectile returning to normal FAQ that Pathfinder put into place.
Expansion from Ultimate Psionics:
Hell, Samasboy1 even quoted it..but only bolded the part he wanted to see....Any affected item that leaves your possession
(including a projectile or thrown weapon) instantly returns
to its normal size.
Yes, the projectile returns to normal size.
But the damage is based on the size of the weapon that fired it.
Reading, bro....
I have no idea how you could possibly read "it deals damage based on the size of the weapon that fired it" as anything but "it deals the damage it normally would at that size, even though the actual bolt/arrow/bullet shrinks."
Because the part "even though the actual bolt/arrow/bullet shrinks". Isn't in the rule, and the part of the rule that you are stressing is parenthetical.
However, I can see where you are getting your interpretation. The parenthesis does seem to separate thrown and projectile weapons.
Personally, I'd defer to the DSP developers (they post here sometimes), but I don't see anything specifically wrong with how you are interpreting it.
It does oddly seem to put thrown weapons at a disadvantage, though. That seems a bit nonsensical.
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Much like the poor crossbow, throwing weapon combat is not really well-supported in PF.
You'd be correct that if a non-Half-giant Medium character used Expansion, any dagger they'd throw would do damage as a normal medium dagger (though it'd get the Strength bonus from being larger).
But a crossbow, sling, bow, etc, would do damage as a Large or Huge one, because even though the projectile shrinks back down to Medium, it does damage as the size of the weapon it was fired from.
I mean seriously if I cast enlarge person, and fire a large heavy crossbow, and the ammo shrinks and does damage based on a medium crossbow bolt, show me in the rules how much damage a medium crossbow bolt does.
What if I was firing a large light crossbow. They both use the same ammo.
A medium heavy crossbow does 1d10 as per the weapons table.
A small heavy crossbow does 1d8 as per the weapons table.
Insults aren't warranted AND break the message board rules.
Again, the damage isn't based on the bolt, it is based on the crossbow. So repeating that a medium bolt does X damage is dishonest, disingenuous, and untrue. The Crossbow is what you find on the weapon chart with a size dependent damage value, not bolts.
The reason Enlarged crossbows deal less damage, while Expanded crossbows do more, is simple. The spell says that's how it works. That doesn't make questioning why it works that way an invalid question
Projectile weapons in pathfinder do not do damage based on the ammunition, they do damage based on the weapon that fired them.
Projectile weapons do damage based on the SMALLER of the launcher or ammunition.
Just as the strength of a chain is based on the strength of the weakest link.
Except that's not a rule.
I don't see anything that even states Arrows have sizes like weapons do.
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AHEM... about the projectiles and how they damage when enlarged/reduced...
The rules, per sey, are in the spells Enlarge and Reduce person.
Enlarge, the projectile goes back to it's normal size once it leaves the character's square. (So an Arrow that was a part of an Enlarged character will go down a step)
Reduce, the projectile will stay at the lower progression, using the damage that the weapon firing the projectile would do. (So it does not go up a step)
This, I believe, was a cut and paste mistake that was never corrected, one way or the other, when the CRB was first put out. There is numerous threads about it.
I believe Lead Blades is for Melee weapons, but I am not sure about that. I do know it needs to be Slashing or Piercing.