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You can buy a spell component pouch, but I really doubt the lead sheet will be big enough to your purposes. You know, it fits in a pouch.
I haven´t found any place telling the price of lead (rulebook, UE or UC) but even if you found the price for lead by pounds, how are you thwarting Detect magic?
A lead box to put objets in it is ok, but you have [url=http://www.archivesofnethys.com/MagicWondrousDisplay.aspx?FinalName=Pathfinder%20Pouch]Pathfinder pouch[/ooc] which act similarity.
Putting lead in your scabard don´t works, in my opinion, as the pommel will aura glow.
So you don´t only need lead, but also the possibility to cover completely the object you want to "hide" from detect magic.
Venture-Agent, Texas—Houston
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My character has a Cracked Pearly White Spindle Ioun Stone (regeneration 1 HP/hour) in a Wayfinder. He wants to hide it on his person in a Dilettante's Outfit using Sleight of Hand so that if he is knocked unconscious, any NPC searching him will have a hard time finding the Ioun Stone, giving him a few hours to regenerate.
It would be extra nice if the hidden Wayfinder containing the Ioun Stone could be kept inside a lead pouch, so that the theoretical NPC will have an even harder time finding it.
The spell description for Detect Magic says, "The spell can penetrate barriers, but 1 foot of stone, 1 inch of common metal, a thin sheet of lead, or 3 feet of wood or dirt blocks it."
If the character puts the Wayfinder in the Pathfinder Pouch, I don't think the Ioun Stone in the Wayfinder will continue to function because the Wayfinder would be in an extradimensional space, not exactly equipped on the character. (But I may be wrong.) But if the character puts the Wayfinder in a lead-lined pocket, I see no reason that it won't continue to function.
I look through the equipment list in the CRB and the other PFS-legal books, and I can't find "a thin sheet of lead" for sale.
I can buy lead bullets, but there are no PFS rules that let me craft a thin sheet of lead from a bullet.
I'm looking to you folks to see if I've overlooked a PFS-legal source for buying a thin sheet of lead.
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Ah yes, well you need to either have them floating around your head, or have the stone implanted in your arm. You can also use one in a way finder.
You can't wrap it in lead foil and stick it in your pocket to get a benefit. I would under RAW rule that you get a +2 to a slight of hand against a mage's roll to foil detect magic in this case. Maybe that's a little stretch, because normally a detect magic doesn't require perception.
Before someone else says it, expect table variation.
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Venture-Agent, Texas—Houston
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The character bought a Wayfinder (from a certain replayable PFS scenario), the Ioun Stone and a Dilettante's Outfit. The only thing I'm missing to complete my scheme is that lead sheeting.
I know, there is likely to be table variation. This is a wild scheme that would only really be useful for surviving a TPK, and those are pretty rare in PFS.
Venture-Captain, Germany—Bavaria
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I hate to burst your bubble, and implanting the stone should work, but I can't really remember a situation in a scenario, where that trick would work.
Usually when enemies want you dead, they will take your equipment, and if you still have a pulse... finish it right then and there ... or worse.
And as you said, it only really works when you become unconscious, but don't die as a result of that. Chances are, that if an enemy takes the time to check your body, the healing provided by the stone is the least of your concerns.
Regarding detect magic :
MAGIC AURA
School illusion (glamer); Level bard 1, sorcerer/wizard 1
Casting Time 1 standard action
Components V, S, F (a small square of silk that must be passed over the object that receives the aura)
Range touch
Target one touched object weighing up to 5 lbs./level
Duration 1 day/level (D)
Saving Throw none; see text; Spell Resistance no
You alter an item's aura so that it registers to detect spells (and spells with similar capabilities) as though it were nonmagical, or a magic item of a kind you specify, or the subject of a spell you specify. If the object bearing magic aura has identify cast on it or is similarly examined, the examiner recognizes that the aura is false and detects the object's actual qualities if he succeeds on a Will save. Otherwise, he believes the aura and no amount of testing reveals what the true magic is.If the targeted item's own aura is exceptionally powerful (if it is an artifact, for instance), magic aura doesn't work.
Note: A magic weapon, shield, or suit of armor must be a masterwork item, so a sword of average make, for example, looks suspicious if it has a magical aura.
should work.
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Will a character with an implanted Ioun Stone radiate magic to a Detect Magic spell?Eyup.
"Hey boss, you missed a magic item.
"Huh? Where?
"Well its in his...
"where?
"his ahh uhhmmm...
".... freaking pathfinders... He planned it this way, I know he did...
Easy way to lose a limb....
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Andoran Eagle Knight Lance Corporal Koons
"....So he hid it in the
one place he knew he could hide
somethin'. His ass. Five long
years, he wore this ioun stone up his
ass. Then when he died of
disentary, he gave me the stone. I
hid with this uncomfortable hunk of
metal up my ass for two years.
Then, after seven years, I was sent
home to my family. And now, little
man, I give the stone to you."
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Venture-Agent, Texas—Houston
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The main purpose of this wild scheme is to give myself a slight chance to prevent character death in the unlikely event of a TPK.
My original plan was for using the Sleight of Hand skill to hide the object. The object is a Wayfinder covered in lead sheeting. The Wayfinder contains a Cracked Pearly White Spindle Ioun Stone (regeneration 1 HP/hour).
If my character is KO'd, he will eventually regenerate -- if the bad guys don't find and loot the Wayfinder/Ioun Stone.
I think that Sleight of Hand will prevent the casual discovery of the Wayfinder on my character's unconscious body, and the lead sheeting will further hide the Wayfinder from Detect Magic.
My character has everything but the lead sheeting. It looks like I can get some lead sheeting in a PFS-legal way by purchasing a spell component pouch which has "a sheet of lead" in it for the Mage's Private Sanctum spell (sorc/wiz 5).
What do you think? Is it legit to buy "a sheet of lead" like that?
(BTW, I recently played in a scenario where we rescued a wizard who didn't have his spell component pouch. A spare pouch would have come in handy.)
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Venture-Agent, Texas—Houston
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It looks like a Wand of Magic Aura (2 Prestige Points, 50 charges, 1 day per charge) and a friendly bard, sorcerer or wizard would solve my Detect Magic problem with less table variation than the questionably-purchased lead sheet. I could double up on these for tables where we don't have arcane support.
Thanks for your help.
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The fact that there is a spell that requires a sheet of lead as a component does not guarantee that the item comes in a spell component pouch. Especially if its a small number of spells that use it. For instance no ruby dust worth 500gp for Force Cage. A GM might let it fly, but even that is still up to table variation.
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Venture-Captain, Germany—Bavaria
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A spare spell components pouch is usually a great idea... and frankly that one you might be able to hide in creative places as Zach Davis suggested.
The problem, is that even if you could by lead sheets, adding them to your wayfinder is a tricky area, since it changes the items involved and would/could cross into the area of crafting.
Applying sovereign glue to your wayfinder and sprinkling it with crushed lead could work in a home game, but yeah, table variation.
And it is worth mentioning, that the stone works like a ring of regeneration, and while that means that it could regenerate body parts, it does not work like the regeneration monster ability.
Well good luck with your idea, it might work in some very unusual corner cases with where monster tactics prevent them from attacking unconscious players.
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Regional Venture-Coordinator, Gulf
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I think you have been advised this isn't going to work as you like. Its a lot of effort to avoid a corner case.
Even at that, an unconscious and helpless character is likely to suffer a coup de grace in the event of a TPK. Your wayfinder may not register an magical, but if they find it, it will likely be taken.
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Sorry to be negative, but, in order:
Yes, only perfect Ioun stones, not cracked or flawed, have resonance.
Their regular Ioun abilities will still work in a wayfinder, but no resonance.
If the enemy is intelligent, you can consider that they are going to do to the party hat the party does to its defeated enemies, so you can probably consider anything worn, or in your clothes, to be gone in that case. Which only leaves the ... internal option. Yuck.
So, every morning, you clean the stone off, thoroughly (to avoid needing a Fort save), use the spell from the wand on it, then swallow it (so no wayfinder needed...)
On the other hand, if the enemies who defeated your party are unintelligent, animals or vermin, for example, you can probably consider that the regeneration is insufficient to the demand for healing. I would think being eaten as lunch does more than 1 hit point in an hour... Well, maybe, if you are lucky, it'll leave its permanent lunch alone, at some point, then the regen might help...
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Venture-Agent, Texas—Houston
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In a TPK, there are at least three other bodies for the remaining enemies to feast upon, so my character might be able to regenerate before being that-thing-I-ate.
I don't know about your parties, but the PFS parties I run with often stabilize defeated opponents and leave them alive, although stripped of valuables. Some of us, at least, don't murder everybody we meet.
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In a TPK, there are at least three other bodies for the remaining enemies to feast upon, so my character might be able to regenerate before being that-thing-I-ate.
I don't know about your parties, but the PFS parties I run with often stabilize defeated opponents and leave them alive, although stripped of valuables. Some of us, at least, don't murder everybody we meet.
Depending on the circumstances of the TPK, there might still be more than one hungry animal/vermin left. YMMV.
As to leave them alive, it depends on what our orders and/or recommendations were. I mean, seriously, except in certain limited conditions, how often do you leave any Aspis agents alive? It'll depend, strongly, on the enemy and their goals.
In my home game, recently, my players were surprised when their new PCs found that they were a rescue mission for the party that they thought had been TPKed. Only one of that party had died, the rest were stripped and put into cages, awaiting their turn to be sacrificed the next day...
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Venture-Agent, Texas—Houston
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I always leave humanoids alive, when possible. I use nonlethal damage, I stabilize or cure dying enemies, I actively practice mercy and forgiveness. I think these are hallmarks of good characters.
I don't expect the same treatment from enemies, especially evil ones, but I want to increase my character's chance of survival, if mercy or providence allow.
Reminds me of the Order of the Stick cartoon where the rogue carried a sheet of lead around. lol
It was the ranger.
To answer the original question - lead sheet is not listed on any price list, so you can't buy it in PFS (even by buying spell component pouches).
That means that the Pathfinder Society is oppressing my culture!
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Another option would be to obtain a Western Star Ioun Stone by playing a couple levels of a certain Superdungeon.
The invisibility effect only lasts for 2 hours (CL 12th × 10min duration) but if you're worried about being left for dead that might be all that you need for it to escape detection.
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I fear that putting a Wayfinder/Pearly White Spindle in an extradimensional space would prevent it from being properly equipped on the character, preventing the regeneration from functioning.
What do you think?
Ah, yes, I forgot about the fact that the wayfinder has to be wielded for the resonant power to affect the character. See the exerpt from page 20 of the "Pathfinder Society Primer" below (emphasis mine):
"In addition to their normal properties, wayfinders produce
a mysterious synergy with another piece of Azlanti
technology: ioun stones. When an ioun stone is inserted
into a special socket on a wayfinder, not only does the
compass's wielder gain the benefit of the stone as though
it were orbiting her head, but a secondary resonant
power is unlocked."I'm only assuming, RAI, that this means that the resonant power of the regenerative resonant power of the cracked pearly white ioun stone won't affect your character unless you wield the wayfinder.
Anyone else have a better understanding of the rules?
Just a reminder that in PFS the flawed or cracked ioun stones do not resonate.
Edit: but the regeneration power of the cracked pearly white spindle ioun stone is not the resonant power, it is the primary power.
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Another option would be to obtain a Western Star Ioun Stone by playing a couple levels of a certain Superdungeon.
The invisibility effect only lasts for 2 hours (CL 12th × 10min duration) but if you're worried about being left for dead that might be all that you need for it to escape detection.
Yet one more option is to take a level in the Pathfinder Field Agent prestige class (which you can do as early as level 6). The hidden upgrade to your wayfinder grants it invisibility and magic aura for 1 hour, 3/day.
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The main purpose of this wild scheme is to give myself a slight chance to prevent character death in the unlikely event of a TPK.
My original plan was for using the Sleight of Hand skill to hide the object. The object is a Wayfinder covered in lead sheeting. The Wayfinder contains a Cracked Pearly White Spindle Ioun Stone (regeneration 1 HP/hour).
If my character is KO'd, he will eventually regenerate -- if the bad guys don't find and loot the Wayfinder/Ioun Stone.
I think that Sleight of Hand will prevent the casual discovery of the Wayfinder on my character's unconscious body, and the lead sheeting will further hide the Wayfinder from Detect Magic.
My character has everything but the lead sheeting. It looks like I can get some lead sheeting in a PFS-legal way by purchasing a spell component pouch which has "a sheet of lead" in it for the Mage's Private Sanctum spell (sorc/wiz 5).
What do you think? Is it legit to buy "a sheet of lead" like that?
(BTW, I recently played in a scenario where we rescued a wizard who didn't have his spell component pouch. A spare pouch would have come in handy.)
It was mentioned earlier, but not explicitly, and I didn't see you confirm knowledge of it...
The regeneration from one of those stones is like the ring... it will let you reattach severed body parts and the like, but if you die, you are dead. It will not bring you back after X time, as it stops functioning once you die.
The monster ability "Regeneration" is what brings a troll back from the dead unless you burn it. It is not equivalent to what the ring/ioun stone does. Here's what the ring/ioun stone WILL accomplish:
1) Decent free healing if you have significant travel time, particularly so if you get the expensive version.
2) Immunity to bleed damage (Very Nice! Implant the cheap one in your arm for this!)
3) You're arm's no longer off (though there are not really any mechanics for this to happen in PFS AFAIK)
4) If you use the wayfinder and a flawed ioun stone, it will work on you with no issues, even if you have another wayfinder. HOWEVER, if you use the full ioun stone (triggering it's resonance power within the wayfinder) and another complete wayfinder/ioun stone/resonance effect, they will cancel each other out completely.
This is all interesting, but how will the poor PFS halflings prove their manhood?
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This is all interesting, but how will the poor PFS halflings prove their manhood?
King of the Stoval Stairs hard mode seems like a nice idea, whatever is left of the halfling (maybe an ear, and parts of the spleen) will definitely have proven their manhood.