Jeff Merola
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It's a numerical bonus given by a trait, it is a trait bonus.
That's really not how things work. Not all bonuses granted by traits are trait bonuses, and Fate's Favored doesn't grant a bonus. It increases bonuses gained from other sources, which isn't the same thing.
I'm confused now. Especially by blackbloodtroll's suff. > . <
Ignore BBT's stuff. He takes any opportunity he can to badmouth the unwriten rules the designers use, even in completely unrelated instances.
Also ignore trekkie's posts, because he's incorrect, as everyone else has noted.
To summarize: Fate's Favored does not, in fact, have a bonus type because it doesn't grant a bonus. It increases any and all luck bonuses you have, but that's not the same as granting a bonus.
| Rynjin |
Wrong on both counts.
Traits do not always grant a Trait bonus. Some are untyped.
Fate's Favored does not grant a bonus of any kind. It increases an existing bonus.
It increases an existing bonus. This is an entirely different matter than adding another, separate bonus.
Fate's Favored transforms a +1 Luck bonus into a +2 Luck bonus, or a +2 into a +3, and so on.
It does not grant a separate, differently typed bonus (otherwise it would say something along the lines of "Whenever you are under the effect of a luck bonus of any kind, you gain a +1 bonus/trait bonus to everything it affects"), and it does not grant a +1 Luck bonus every time you are under the effects of a Luck bonus either (they wouldn't stack, so the ability would never function).
TriOmegaZero
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It's a trait, it provides a bonus, that bonus is a trait bonus.
You sure about that?
You've always found yourself in positions where others look up to you as a leader, and you can distinctly remember an event from your early childhood where you led several other children to accomplish a goal that each of you individually could not. All cohorts, followers, or summoned creatures under your leadership gain a +1 morale bonus on Will saves to avoid mind-affecting effects. If you ever take the Leadership feat, you gain a +1 trait bonus to your Leadership score.
Look at that, a trait that gives a bonus that ISN'T a trait bonus. How did that even happen?
| gustavo iglesias |
If you increase a bonus to a thing, then you have granted a bonus to that thing. The argument that fate's favored's 'increase' is not a bonus is invalid. As for trait/luck/untyped... It's a trait, it provides a bonus, that bonus is a trait bonus.
Not correct.
When you increase an existing bonus, you are not granting a bonus, you are increasing an existing one. For example, spells that increase existing natural armor bonus are not a natural armor bonus themselves (because then they wouldn't stack), they aren't a typed bonus unless explicitly stated (such as barkskin, which says it's an enhancement bonus, compared to Animal Growth, which increase the existing natural armor bonus).Another example would be a Courageous weapon, which increases an existing morale bonus by an amount equal to half the enhancement bonus of the weapon. A +4 courageous weapon wielder, under a Bless Spell, has +3 morale bonus to hit. He doesn't have +1 morale bonus to hit and +2 enhancement bonus to hit.
Not all traits provide trait bonus, some are untyped (like dangerously curious), and there are also a few that are enhancement or morale (Desperate Speed for example gives +5 enhancement bonus to eidolon's speed)
If tomorrow Paizo publishes a magic item that double your trait bonuses, "Favored Fate" doesn't get any benefit (while, say, Reactionary would). And if they create a "bad luck spell" that divide by half, rounding up, your luck bonuses, Favored fate would be affected, because it's an increase to a luck bonus (just like Enlarge is an increase to existing natural armor), not a different bonus