Magical Sleep or Natural Sleep?

[Azure Falcon]

So as much as I love my players being able to get around simple encounter hooks...I don't.

I was wondering if someone were to use a natural or chemical sleeping agent would that not be considered magic and get past a PCs race "Immune to Magic Sleep" condition. Or is that still considered magic in the rules of Pathfinder?

[DM_Blake]

Go for it.

If a poison puts someone to sleep, that's not magic, it's poison. Use it on elves, don't waste your time on dwarves...

[Brf]

The poisons listed in the CRB actually call it "unconsciousness", not "sleep".

[Jeff Merola]

No, you aren't supposed to be able to magically put them to sleep. If they were meant to be immune to sleep then they'd be immune to sleep.

[Claxon]

So, assuming an NPC knows the party at all, knowing that one of them was an elf would instantly allow you to know that the elf is immune to magical sleep with a DC whatever knowledge local.

It's not really metagaming after that point to think hey, I want to knock this fool out and I can't use magic. Guess I'll poison/drug him.