Alchemist and investigator multiclass wrt Mutagen

[DrCoras]

Hello! I have an overlap question about an investigator with a 1 level alchemist dip. There was another thread about it, but it dealt only with extracts and I didn't want to ask a completely different question there.

If I have an Alchemist 1/Investigator 3, I know I only have a mutagen good for 10 minutes. But if I take the mutagen investigator talent, does that mean I now have 2 mutagen? 1 at 10 minutes and 1 at 30? Or do I have 1 40 minute mutagen?

I wanted the alchemist dip for bombs, but this question is bugging me.

Sorry in advance if this is a dumb question with an easy answer (like my last one) but I just wanted to be sure. Thanks in advance for any answers!

[DrCoras]

Does anyone have any ideas? I'm guessing since there was no answer, this might be one of those grey areas no one is sure of?

[Pounce]

The general consensus is that if the abilities themselves say that they don't stack, they don't stack.

Hybrid Classes wrote:

Parent Classes: Each one of the following classes lists two classes that it draws upon to form the basis of its theme. While a character can multiclass with these parent classes, this usually results in redundant abilities. Such abilities don't stack unless specified.

So, it seems like you've got 2x Mutagen as a result. It also seems like you've got the ability to have two doses of Mutagen going at once, since they are different (albeit identical) abilities. Beware of table variation though.

[Deadmanwalking]

You could make sure to take Mindchemist, that'd give you a Cognatogen instead of a Mutagen and avoid confusion. A second level of it would give Perfect Recall as well, which is great for an Investigator.

That said, Pounce is correct, it'd be two Mutagens, and also correct to expect table variation.

[Rub-Eta]

As there are no specific wording that two classes with mutagen class abiliteis stack their levels for the purpos of mutagens, they technically are two seperat (one 10 min and one 30min) which is acually more beneficial for you as you can have two different on very different times of day. It would be the same for the Mutation Warrior Fighter archtype.

However, there are some big holes when it comes to Alchemist Discoveries in general. It doesn't say that you use your Investigator level as an effective Alchemist level to detirmen the power of any of the Alchemist's Discoveries (neither does the Mutation Warrior). Even the Alchemist have some problems in regard to some Dicoveries refering to an alchemist caster level while there is none.
This is clearly not intentional.

[DrCoras]

Awesome! Thanks very much, I appreciate the answers. I considered the Mindchemist, but it'd need 2 levels (but oh boy double int to knowledge? Wow) and I really only wanted 1 level.

The best part about this is that it is like infuse mutagen without the int damage or 1000g cost. Plus having a quick 10 minute mutagen AND a more long term one has endless applications.

Thanks again for the help guys!