patron spells part 2

[Timdog]

I noticed that witches get bonus patron spells at levels they can't cast them at - for winter for example they get ice storm at 6 even though they cant cast it till level 7. Does being granted the spell mean that if they had intelligence high enough to get a bonus level 4 spell they could now cast it at level 6? Or us it really just a one level tease?

[Dave Justus]

I believe the intent as that the Patron Spells count as spells of the highest level the witch can cast when they acquire them (sort of like how Cleric Domain spells work) but I don't know of anywhere that it says that specifically.

[Timdog]

Meaning ice storm would be memorizable as a level 3 spell ?

[James Risner]

Timdog wrote:

Meaning ice storm would be memorizable as a level 3 spell ?

If you get a bonus spell at 6th, yes it would be a 3rd level spell.

[Timdog]

Intresting. Didnt think of that at all. Has this never been officially stated anywhere? Pretty big deal to get a spell in a lower spell slot.

[James Risner]

Timdog wrote:

Intresting. Didnt think of that at all. Has this never been officially stated anywhere? Pretty big deal to get a spell in a lower spell slot.

Quote:

an oracle learns an additional spell derived from her mystery

You can't learn something that you can't cast. So the only reasonable option is it is a spell of the highest level you can cast when you learn it.

[Timdog]

Actually there are feats and racial bonuses that can let you learn spells previous to being able to cast them - samsarans racial trait mystic past life being one example. Its quite rare though. I prefer your answer, but would rather be sure.

[Melkiador]

Note that there are other Patron spells that aren't on the Witch spell list at all.

[supervillan]

It's not unusual for domains, mysteries, bloodlines and patrons (and any other similar class features I may have neglected) to grant "early access" to certain spells. That is to say that you gain a spell at a level or so sooner than might be normal from a class list.

Someone collected all of these in a guide or advice post somewhere I believe.