Summon Monster - Improved monster list

[Ogstrup]

Hi guys and girls.

Maybe this question has already been answered in another post, if it is would somebody please send me the link.

I want to know if anybody has mad an improved monster list to the summon monster spell, so the monster from bestiary 2,3 and 4 are included?

Thanks

[lemeres]

The one here seems fairly comprehensive. It even includes the additions that come from individual APs.

It does tend to be listed by the AP that added it to the summon list, rather than by the bestiary it first appeared in though.

[Auke Teeninga]

The Devs said that monsters shouldn't be added to the list for free, but there are some feats (like summon good monster), magic items (Ring of Summoning Affinity) or deities (Erastil adds Celestial Elk for his priests for instance) that expand the list.

[Ogstrup]

lemeres wrote:

The one here seems fairly comprehensive. It even includes the additions that come from individual APs.

It does tend to be listed by the AP that added it to the summon list, rather than by the bestiary it first appeared in though.

Cool thanks, although I would think there would be more "new" monster in the three other bestiaries combined.

[Subparhiggins]

My advice is take Summon Good Monster, Summon Evil Monster, or Summon Neutral Monster. And to not use the alternate summons listed on the d20pfsrd. Some of the options on there are only meant for characters who worship certain gods, or certain races, or even meant to make NPC summoners more unique foes. As such, some of the options on that list are way too powerful, and outstrip everything else in that summon bracket. If you want to use anything from there, check with your GM first and do the research to see who that option was meant for.

[Ogstrup]

I just think they should make an update to the list, why are you only able to summon monster from that specific book?

[lemeres]

Well, the alternate choices do include examples that originate from bestiaries 2, 3, and 4.

But yes, the bread and butter comes from B1. Because, honestly, that book included a lot of the bread an butter any way of basic enemy types.

And if you listened to the optimizers, it wouldn't matter anyway, since you would only summon lantern and hound archons anyway.

[Ogstrup]

I have to admit, that I never really looked to much in to the monster in bestiary 2,3 and 4, because I am a player, that likes to be surprised, but I would think that in those three books combined there would be at least as many interesting monsters to summon as there are in bestiary 1.
I like to summon different monster, that aren't necessarily optimised for the situation, but that might be fun to have, so the more options the better.

[Letariel]

Ogstrup wrote:

I just think they should make an update to the list, why are you only able to summon monster from that specific book?

I think Paizo has said that they aren't going to add monsters to the summon list, because it would just be giving more and more power (in the form of more options) to that line of spells, and they are already really good. Instead, they will add extra summoning options by adding separate spells (e.g. Summon Accuser).

[lemeres]

Ah, just remembered-

As you can see at the bottom of this link, Paizo has also given a few unique thematic additions to the list for worshipers of select deities.

[Cap. Darling]

I have made the individual monsters into different spells. Wizards prepare what creature they Will summon and sorcerers have a bit more freedom. I am not planning on making the summon monster Line of spells even better but all monsters are possible within my new guideline:)

[Ogstrup]

Ok i guess that makes sense, thanks for everybodys replies.

[justaworm]

If you can use 3rd party material, Path of Shadows includes a Summon Horror I - IX that is meant to be a replacement for Summon Monster I - IX with a more Shadow/Aberration/Undead theme.