Creating potions with higher CL


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Is it possible to create a potion with a higher caster level by adding +5 to the DC?

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You can create a potion of a higher caster level than the minimum needed to cast the spell. The DC is 5 + caster level. For example, a caster level 6 Barkskin potion (granting +3 to AC) would have a DC of 11 to create. However, you must have a caster level of at least 6 to do this, since you cannot raise the caster level of a potion above your own caster level.

Magic Item Descriptions wrote:
For potions, scrolls, and wands, the creator can set the caster level of an item at any number high enough to cast the stored spell but not higher than her own caster level.


Thanks for the clarification. I wanted to create some “high level” potions (higher than my caster level) and use them with Alchemical Allocation. Seems that is not an option. Guess I have to buy them.


You could have the higher level spell supplied by another higher level caster. That might be cheaper than buying the potion outright.


_Ozy_ wrote:
You could have the higher level spell supplied by another higher level caster. That might be cheaper than buying the potion outright.

If it is for PFS I don't believe that is an option. If it is for a home game, finding someone higher level than the party with the desired spell may be an issue depending on the location the party is at.


It is for a home game. Are there any rules for the hourly rate of high level casters?


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last line on the table from equipment chapter:

Spellcasting: CL x Spell level x 10gp


Keep in mind that potions with a higher caster level cost more than a potion at the base caster level.


Skylancer4 wrote:
_Ozy_ wrote:
You could have the higher level spell supplied by another higher level caster. That might be cheaper than buying the potion outright.
If it is for PFS I don't believe that is an option. If it is for a home game, finding someone higher level than the party with the desired spell may be an issue depending on the location the party is at.

Probably more likely to find a high level spellcaster than the exact potion with the desired caster level.

You'll save, generally, around 15gp x spell level x caster level.

Buying the potion outright = 50 x SL x CL

Making the potion = 25 x SL x CL +
Paying the spellcaster = 10 x SL x CL
for a total of 35 x SL x CL


_Ozy_ wrote:
Skylancer4 wrote:
_Ozy_ wrote:
You could have the higher level spell supplied by another higher level caster. That might be cheaper than buying the potion outright.
If it is for PFS I don't believe that is an option. If it is for a home game, finding someone higher level than the party with the desired spell may be an issue depending on the location the party is at.

Probably more likely to find a high level spellcaster than the exact potion with the desired caster level.

You'll save, generally, around 15gp x spell level x caster level.

Buying the potion outright = 50 x SL x CL

Making the potion = 25 x SL x CL +
Paying the spellcaster = 10 x SL x CL
for a total of 35 x SL x CL

You are again assuming that the desired spell is available. If you are adventuring in Standpoint, which has a detailed list of NPCs who are available in RotRL AP, that may not be he case.

Yes the cost might be stated explicitly, but you are assuming it is available, which may not be the case at all times.


Thank you to everyone for your input. The campaign is located in Korvosa. It is a large city with the Acadamae, so it should increase the chance of finding a caster with a specific spell and desired caster level.


Skylancer4 wrote:
_Ozy_ wrote:
Skylancer4 wrote:
_Ozy_ wrote:
You could have the higher level spell supplied by another higher level caster. That might be cheaper than buying the potion outright.
If it is for PFS I don't believe that is an option. If it is for a home game, finding someone higher level than the party with the desired spell may be an issue depending on the location the party is at.

Probably more likely to find a high level spellcaster than the exact potion with the desired caster level.

You'll save, generally, around 15gp x spell level x caster level.

Buying the potion outright = 50 x SL x CL

Making the potion = 25 x SL x CL +
Paying the spellcaster = 10 x SL x CL
for a total of 35 x SL x CL

You are again assuming that the desired spell is available. If you are adventuring in Standpoint, which has a detailed list of NPCs who are available in RotRL AP, that may not be he case.

Yes the cost might be stated explicitly, but you are assuming it is available, which may not be the case at all times.

Dude, I'll bold it since you obviously missed it:

Probably more likely to find a high level spellcaster than the exact potion with the desired caster level.

And I think that's pretty obvious. If you can find the potion, there's a decent chance that the spellcaster who made it is also nearby. If you can't find the potion, you at least have a shot that there's a spellcaster around that fits the bill.

But no, I didn't 'assume' that you could definitely find the spellcaster, just that you have a better chance than finding a specific potion with a specific caster level.


Uh, small city has a base base value of 4,000 gp (so 75% chance to find anything under that). Metropolis only has 8th level spells available default (so only 15th level caster). The highest level potion is a CL 20 3rd level potion, for only 3,000 gp.

So no, much easier to find a level 20 potion than a level 20 caster. How the potion got there I don't know, but CL 20 potions are in every city while 20th level casters are not (and may not be in any).


_Ozy_ wrote:
Skylancer4 wrote:
_Ozy_ wrote:
Skylancer4 wrote:
_Ozy_ wrote:
You could have the higher level spell supplied by another higher level caster. That might be cheaper than buying the potion outright.
If it is for PFS I don't believe that is an option. If it is for a home game, finding someone higher level than the party with the desired spell may be an issue depending on the location the party is at.

Probably more likely to find a high level spellcaster than the exact potion with the desired caster level.

You'll save, generally, around 15gp x spell level x caster level.

Buying the potion outright = 50 x SL x CL

Making the potion = 25 x SL x CL +
Paying the spellcaster = 10 x SL x CL
for a total of 35 x SL x CL

You are again assuming that the desired spell is available. If you are adventuring in Standpoint, which has a detailed list of NPCs who are available in RotRL AP, that may not be he case.

Yes the cost might be stated explicitly, but you are assuming it is available, which may not be the case at all times.

Dude, I'll bold it since you obviously missed it:

Probably more likely to find a high level spellcaster than the exact potion with the desired caster level.

And I think that's pretty obvious. If you can find the potion, there's a decent chance that the spellcaster who made it is also nearby. If you can't find the potion, you at least have a shot that there's a spellcaster around that fits the bill.

But no, I didn't 'assume' that you could definitely find the spellcaster, just that you have a better chance than finding a specific potion with a specific caster level.

"Dude" you should probably read the rules regarding magic item availability and population centers. Bob Bob Bob started to cover it. And just because an item is around doesn't mean it was made there, because you know, commerce.


If 75% of all potions, with all possible caster levels are available, there will be literally thousands of potions and hundreds of shops in every decently sized city.

Is that how you guys play it? That means literally every potion under the wealth cap can be found.

I want a potion of fly.
Roll...not available.
Ok, how about CL6? Nope? CL7? Great, I'll take it.

An alchemist will be able to easily fill up his formula book as well.

A potion with a CL higher than the minimum should be considered a special item.

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