| Chess Pwn |
So I know that the square you leave provokes when you crawl. But what about the square you move into? Under crawling is says, "Crawling incurs attacks of opportunity from any attackers who threaten you at any point of your crawl." And Crawling is only 5ft. So The only thing I can think of when it says provoking at any point would be provoking for entering a square. Still only 1 attack per person, but it means that someone you crawl from and the person you crawl to could each make an attack against you in different squares.
| Komoda |
Crawling is not moving, unless you have a crawl speed. Crawling is using a move action. If you do it twice, the same threatening character would be able to hit you twice, with Combat Reflexes, of course.
I do not believe the rules for crawling are any different than any other move action. I can't imagine that a single 5' crawl would provoke twice from the same person.
| Chess Pwn |
No I wasn't saying that it provokes twice for one action but that both enemy A and B could hit player P if P crawled
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When both A and B have normal 5ft reach.
But Komoda are you saying the Crawling is a separate move action than the moving your speed action? That's what originally I thought but then I couldn't decide if it was or not.
| dragonhunterq |
No, you can't draw a weapon while crawling. You can only draw a weapon in conjunction with a 'regular move' not any move equivalent action.
And technically you would appear to draw 2 attacks of opportunity from 'A', one for crawling and one for leaving a threatened square. B would only get 1 AoO in the scenario, but could also get 2 if he threatened you when you start crawling.
In the same way that falling down to someone with vicious stomp and greater trip provokes twice, and casting a ranged touch spell can provoke twice, one for the spell and one for the free ranged attack. Whilst crawling is a single action it triggers two separate AoO clauses.
RedDogMT
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Crawling is listed under the regular move action. It is movement, not a move equivalent action.
This is correct. Crawling is listed under Move in the Combat section. Because of this, a crawling creature with +1 BAB or more may indeed draw a weapon while moving.
Crawling provokes an AOO in the same way that moving 5 feet as a normal move action would provoke (ie NOT a 5-foot step).
LazarX
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_Ozy_ wrote:Crawling is listed under the regular move action. It is movement, not a move equivalent action.This is correct. Crawling is listed under Move in the Combat section. Because of this, a crawling creature with +1 BAB or more may indeed draw a weapon while moving.
Crawling provokes an AOO in the same way that moving 5 feet as a normal move action would provoke (ie NOT a 5-foot step).
It would probably help matters if we started referring to what we think as a "5 foot step" by it's proper tactical name. "5 foot adjustment".
RedDogMT
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You cannot take a 5 foot step when in darkness or when your movement is only 5 feet (A halfling in plate mail who is slowed, for example). It is not common, but it can happen.
Also, a player may choose to simply move 5 feet as a move action (perhaps he WANTS to provoke an AOO). He is not required to take a 5 foot step when he moves 5 feet.
tchrman35
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Or if you're an aquatic creature on land.
I can think of very few times I'd want to draw an attack of opportunity. Perhaps to let the caster run through, if I had been counting op-attacks and knew the bad guy had been passing them up (and therefore likely didn't have combat reflexes).
They also don't have to take an attack of opportunity, though unless it's particularly intelligent, I'm not sure the creature's tactics would allow you to do otherwise.