Unadulterated loathing spell + Stand Still feat = puke pile?

[DungeonMastering.com]

Ok, think I've come up with a cool combo, but not sure it really works with all the rules as I intend it to. Plus I'm hoping you guys can suggest ways to make it as effective as possible if it DOES indeed work. As the Subject suggests, it's using the spell Unadulterated loathing in combination with the Stand Still feat to 'lockdown' a target via making them continually have the Nauseated condition thanks to the spell, while you beat them silly.

Here are the initial pieces to the puzzle:

Unadulterated loathing:

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School enchantment (compulsion) [emotion, mind-affecting]; Level antipaladin 2, bard 2, sorcerer/wizard 3, witch 3

Casting Time 1 standard action

Components V, S, M

Range close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels)

Target one creature

Duration 1 day/level

Saving Throw Will negates; Spell Resistance yes

You fill the target with a terrible loathing aimed at a specific creature. At the time of the casting, you designate a single creature as the object of the target's revulsion. Thereafter, the target does all it can to remain at least 60 feet away from the object of its loathing. As soon as the target moves within this range, it becomes nauseated until it can again get away from the object of its revulsion. If traveling beyond 60 feet of the object of its loathing would place the target in obvious physical danger, the target can attempt a second save to break the spell's effect.

...causing

Nauseated:

: Creatures with the nauseated condition experience stomach distress. Nauseated creatures are unable to attack, cast spells, concentrate on spells, or do anything else requiring attention. The only action such a character can take is a single move actions per turn.

...then make them

Stand Still (Combat):

You can stop foes that try to move past you.
Prerequisites: Combat Reflexes.
When a foe provokes an attack of opportunity due to moving through your adjacent squares, you can make a combat maneuver check as your attack of opportunity. If successful, the enemy cannot move for the rest of his turn. An enemy can still take the rest of his action, but cannot move. This feat also applies to any creature that attempts to move from a square that is adjacent to you if such movement provokes an attack of opportunity.

Does this setup basically turn unlucky targets into helpless bags of vomit?
You'd need to be near them (cast then move?) when casting Unadulterated loathing to fulfill the Adjacent requirement so assuming Combat Casting is a key feat. Ditto for Combat Reflexes.

What would be some others?

And which class- witch, bard, sorcerer/wizard would be ideal for a character?
A Large sized Antipaladin would seem to be the best start for an NPC version to shut down some of the PCs, so that'd be interesting to create as well.

[avr]

Yep, looks like it works.

A kitsune sorcerer could get a sky-high DC on the loathing (even higher if fey, or more widely applicable with some other bloodlines), a bard could get the spell earlier and could have a better CMB. I suspect the sorcerer would be best overall.

[wraithstrike]

Unless you have them completely surrounded they can likely move 60 feet away from you. If they have to take a dangerous action to get past 60 feet then they get a 2nd save. Unless they have really poor saves or you jack the DC up really high, they are not likely to fail 2 saves.

[avr]

BTW, save each round or can't act (if they have to take an AoO to move they're in obvious physical danger, as wraithstrike points out) can be achieved more easily with Hold Person. There are more valid targets for this of course, but it doesn't require you to be so close, and helpless is an even worse condition than nauseated.

[Cevah]

Can the object of loathing be the target itself?

Auto Nauseated, and no need to deal with them for days.

/cevah

[Davor]

Cevah wrote:

Can the object of loathing be the target itself?

Auto Nauseated, and no need to deal with them for days.

/cevah

ROFL. That's AMAZING. By RAW, you can, though I think most reasonable DM's would house rule it to be a creature other than the target of the spell.

Also, @ Wraithstrike:

The spell specifically mentions that the secondary save only occurs if traveling beyond 60' of the target would put the creature in physical danger. The requirement for Stand Still would be 5 feet, and therefore would not apply.

[wraithstrike]

Davor wrote:

Cevah wrote:

Can the object of loathing be the target itself?

Auto Nauseated, and no need to deal with them for days.

/cevah

ROFL. That's AMAZING. By RAW, you can, though I think most reasonable DM's would house rule it to be a creature other than the target of the spell.

Also, @ Wraithstrike:

The spell specifically mentions that the secondary save only occurs if traveling beyond 60' of the target would put the creature in physical danger. The requirement for Stand Still would be 5 feet, and therefore would not apply.

I was saying this idea is only useful in very limited circumstances, and if you are using your buddies to surround him he gets a 2nd save if he has to through a dangerous area to get to 60 feet. <--Nothing you said changes that.

This also assume that you can beat his CMD, but if you can do that then you can just trip him, which also drops his AC by 4.

[avr]

Davor wrote:

Also, @ Wraithstrike:

The spell specifically mentions that the secondary save only occurs if traveling beyond 60' of the target would put the creature in physical danger. The requirement for Stand Still would be 5 feet, and therefore would not apply.

Short of teleporting, moving beyond 60' requires moving beyond 5'.

[heyyon]

Would be easier with the Step Up chain of feats than Stand Still. "Oh, you moved away with your lone move action this round? Fine, I'ma just follow you then."

It's probably not the most efficient in terms of resources or whatever... but what it lacks there it more than makes up for in being hilariously awesome.

[Claxon]

The problem with this is using Stand Still.

You need to have a strong enough CMB to actually beat others CMD. Most of your classes that have access to the spell aren't great at CMB.

[Scott Wilhelm]

You might also the Scorpion Style Feat. That reduces your opponent's move to 5'. The problem with my idea is that Unadulterated Loathing allows a Will Save, and Scorpion Style allows a Fort Save. Most targets have a high bonus in one or the other. But you don't need a Attack of Opportunity to use Scorpion Style.

So, what classes are good? Stand Still works with an attack of Opportunity. Scorpion Style works with an Unarmed Strike. Unadulterated loathing is a spell that can be cast by witches, antipaladin, bards, sorcerers, and wizards.

So, you need some combination of martial and magic. Bards are sort of martial and magic, but I usually think they are poor at both. White Haired Witch is a more martial witch. Antipaladins seem like a solid foundation. There are Sorcerer options, like Bloodrager, maybe some combination of Brawler and Bloodrager. Eldritch Knight comes to mind. I love the Attack of Opportunity hair trigger that is Snake Fang, and I think Scorpion Style would go well with Tiger Style feats, so maybe some combination of Monk, Master of Many Styles and one of those spellcasting classes.

I have a build idea that calls for a 2 level dip in White Haired Witch, and a Wand of Unadulterated Loathing might make a nice cherry on top of that sundae.

[Adept_Woodwright]

Skald might work if bard isn't martial enough. There might be some synergistic rage powers too, though I haven't the time to check at the moment.

[Geistlinger]

Maybe Paladin with Unsanctioned Knowledge to get Unadulterated Loathing