If the GM allowed it, I had an idea with bying a scroll of dominate person as a low-level character (2-7) and using it on a higher lever wizard (10-13) and the commanding him to use his money and spell components to create more dominate person scrolls for me.
How would you handle this as a GM? Is it "against his nature" to spend money for another person?
It depends on the person with regard to what counts as "against their nature".
Also buying the scrolls may not be against their nature, but working for free might be.
Also scrolls use the lowest possible save for that spell, and wizards tend to have really good will saves so they are not likely to fail the save.
In addition you have to activate the scroll and you may fail the check because of how low your character level may be at the time.
Then you run into other problems such actually getting to the wizard. He needs a reason to allow you to see him, and if he is not willing then you have to force your way to him.
That is not likely. Even after all of that if you get to him, actually win initiative, get the scroll out, and it fails, then he is going to kill you.
If he somehow fails the save he will kill you once the duration of the spell wears off, and no you can not force someone to fail a save.
There are quiet a few other issues. My advice is to leave that wizard alone. Depending on how nice/not nice your GM is and how good he is at planning and building characters it might get the entire party killed, without the GM have to use his power to break any rules.
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If the GM allowed it, I had an idea with bying a scroll of dominate person as a low-level character (2-7) and using it on a higher lever wizard (10-13) and the commanding him to use his money and spell components to create more dominate person scrolls for me.
How would you handle this as a GM? Is it "against his nature" to spend money for another person?
Even if spending money is not against his nature, then making him work as a slave to create items to continue his enslavement certainly would be.
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why buy a scroll to dominae some1 for money when you can be a vampire and dominate them for free?
but siriusly. a level 10-13 wizard will have a +7-8 on will saves from base class saves alone.probebly higher. and a scroll of dominate(as a level 5 spell) would have a dc of 17 (10+5 level +having a minimal score of 15 to cast such spell).that gives him a 60% minimum to save.(more likely he'd have other bonues by level 10 that will bring it up to about 10-20% chance to fail) are you going to risk your life for that chance?
Also there is a pretty good power gulf between a level 10 and level 13 wizard, and bigger one between a level 2 and level 7 character.
However just in case you missed it-->Leave that wizard alone. Even at level 7 the 13th level wizard can likely summon things that can kill your party. Then he can watch the fight from a safe location. The level 10 one can probably planer bind something that can give you a run for you money, and that is before he decides to join in.
You mean there are people who would actually never work for free? Never help a friend move house or wash a jointly-owned car, without there being a monetary compensation?
I find the idea that "working for free" is against someone's "nature" - not against their better judgement or against their will, but against their very nature - preposterous.
You mean there are people who would actually never work for free? Never help a friend move house or wash a jointly-owned car, without there being a monetary compensation?
I find the idea that "working for free" is against someone's "nature" - not against their better judgement or against their will, but against their very nature - preposterous.
Yeah, this.
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You mean there are people who would actually never work for free? Never help a friend move house or wash a jointly-owned car, without there being a monetary compensation?
I find the idea that "working for free" is against someone's "nature" - not against their better judgement or against their will, but against their very nature - preposterous.
I think it really does depend on the person - the jerk lawyer who charges his own mother an hourly fee is a trope for a reason. These sorts of people do exist. Some people really are selfish egoists.
Blanket declaring that all wizards are like that is a bit much I would say. But remember that dominate makes someone your robot slave, not your friend. Making free scrolls for their friends might not be against their nature, while making free scrolls for some schlub they barely know might be, depending on their greed. Do not try this trick on a Ferengi wizard.
Either way I'm not sure how sustainable this is, as Mr. NPC wizard likely only has enough cash sitting around to make a few scrolls before he needs a bankroll. And at some point he'll make a save or his actual friends will figure out what's going on and then you're in Pain Land.
It would depend on the individual. Scrooge (from a Christmas Carol) certainly wouldn't (until after he was visited by the ghosts).
You'd have to be one heck of a friendless jerk, but it's possible. Highly unlikely, but possible. But friends typically do stuff for their freinds all the time, without expecting compensation.
And, as noted Dominate makes a robot slave. It is not charm person, which makes him your friend. He will regard you as he did before you cast the spell. So the idea of spending money to help strangers... seems very unlikely to work to me in this case.
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If a GM wants to shut down a chain of never-ending Dominate Persons, the easiest, most elegant, and therefore best way is to just fudge the will save on the next casting.
As for "what is against one's nature", that's ultimately a GM decision because players shouldn't (in this game, anyway) be trusted to be objective when they are invested in the outcome of a rules discussion.
It's also a good example of why character backgrounds should be encouraged- that way the GM isn't saying what's in character or out of character without any input from the player.
The OP isn't the wizard's friend, though. He's just some a+++!@+ who cast dominate person on him.