So using the idea provided here about monster orphanages and sanctuaries I wanted to make a Troll Character.
Now I am debating on which Troll to use. The default Troll or the Cave Troll
Now the class I want to use is Monk, to show that he was raised differently and brought up in a well structured environment. Though LG will likely not work. So using the Adopted and Enlightened Warrior traits I can make him NG
I was thinking of using Feral Combat Training to make my Claws work into my flurry, as I think it allows me to use my rend if I land two of my claw attacks during a flurry.
With CR buy off I gain a class level at level 3 and again at level 6 which would drop my CR down to either CR 2 or 3 depending on which troll to pick, but at level 9 I could drop it down to CR 2. Dropping Wealth By Level by an additional 2 levels should reduce that to a CR 1 and down by 2 should get me to Class Levels so long as I remain 4 levels of wealth behind the party I think.
Which Troll best suits a Monk Cr 2/Monk 18 is still pretty good overall. With Regen 3 or 5 I don't have to worry too much. But I would like advice to somehow gain a higher resistance to Fire, Acid is less likely to come up.
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Have you run this by your GM first?
Because honestly, I would never let you play anything with regeneration.
Regeneration in PF is less powerful then 3.5's version.
I could still be dropped to below health and knocked out via lose of health just not killed unless I was hit with fire or acid damage which turns off the regeneration for a round. So beat a troll down and when it passes out at -10 HP hit it with a burning torch and you kill it.
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That's not for you to decide, that's up to your GM.
I strongly recommend you get an approval first for either race before we worry about which makes a better character. You should also ask he handle the interaction between racial HD and total CR and character levels.
That is how Regeneration is handled in PF is all I am saying.
And really do you all think I wouldn't ask my DM about this?
No, but if your GM hasn't given you approval it doesn't do a lot of good to theorycraft for something you can't do.
Especially when you don't know how your GM will handle the mehcnical interactions between racial HD and class levels or in general handle being a race that was not designed for players to be.
And, if you know how all this is going to be handled you could have simply told us.
I told you how we were doing the CR and such. The way PF says to play monsters is to use their CR as their level.
So using the idea provided here about monster orphanages and sanctuaries I wanted to make a Troll Character.
Now I am debating on which Troll to use. The default Troll or the Cave Troll
Now the class I want to use is Monk, to show that he was raised differently and brought up in a well structured environment. Though LG will likely not work. So using the Adopted and Enlightened Warrior traits I can make him NG
I was thinking of using Feral Combat Training to make my Claws work into my flurry, as I think it allows me to use my rend if I land two of my claw attacks during a flurry.
With CR buy off I gain a class level at level 3 and again at level 6 which would drop my CR down to either CR 2 or 3 depending on which troll to pick, but at level 9 I could drop it down to CR 2. Dropping Wealth By Level by an additional 2 levels should reduce that to a CR 1 and down by 2 should get me to Class Levels so long as I remain 4 levels of wealth behind the party I think.
Which Troll best suits a Monk Cr 2/Monk 18 is still pretty good overall. With Regen 3 or 5 I don't have to worry too much. But I would like advice to somehow gain a higher resistance to Fire, Acid is less likely to come up.
Are you having less wealth than the rest of the party? That Sound like a very Strange meta gamey rule to me. Is that from a Paizo book?
Are you having less wealth than the rest of the party? That Sound like a very Strange meta gamey rule to me. Is that from a Paizo book?So using the idea provided here about monster orphanages and sanctuaries I wanted to make a Troll Character.
Now I am debating on which Troll to use. The default Troll or the Cave Troll
Now the class I want to use is Monk, to show that he was raised differently and brought up in a well structured environment. Though LG will likely not work. So using the Adopted and Enlightened Warrior traits I can make him NG
I was thinking of using Feral Combat Training to make my Claws work into my flurry, as I think it allows me to use my rend if I land two of my claw attacks during a flurry.
With CR buy off I gain a class level at level 3 and again at level 6 which would drop my CR down to either CR 2 or 3 depending on which troll to pick, but at level 9 I could drop it down to CR 2. Dropping Wealth By Level by an additional 2 levels should reduce that to a CR 1 and down by 2 should get me to Class Levels so long as I remain 4 levels of wealth behind the party I think.
Which Troll best suits a Monk Cr 2/Monk 18 is still pretty good overall. With Regen 3 or 5 I don't have to worry too much. But I would like advice to somehow gain a higher resistance to Fire, Acid is less likely to come up.
PEople say to adjust CRs you judge if they are proper wealth by level. If your party is 5 level 5s and all they have is 3000 GP each to spend their CR would be lower then what it normally would be if all five had the 10,500 WB is the idea.
And Yes Regeneration 5 is powerful I know this.
If the thread is just going to devolve into "Wow thats to OP and OP is OP and Does your GM know" then we might as well forget this thread exists.
Obviously I know its a powerful power, yes I know that the general public would be weary at best, but as I said we are using the idea of the monster sanctuary and Orphanage theme so it is known there are 'rehabilitated' creatures such as Orcs, Goblins, and Trolls and the like being raised from babies to adult.
I Think a Troll monk sounds like a fine idea. Make str>wis>con>dex>int and cha.
Make sure to Pick qigong archtype and pummeling style. I agree that flurring with the claws could be seen as giving acess to rend. But normally flurring dissallows any attack but the flurry ones so in my game that would get a no.
I like the concept it made me Think of Tiger in Kung fu panda secrets of the furious five. But i must say that i dont Think the rules tells you to let folks in the party have different WBL. And if they say that they are either wrong ir Bad and shouldent be used.
I Think a Troll monk sounds like a fine idea. Make str>wis>con>dex>int and cha.
Make sure to Pick qigong archtype and pummeling style. I agree that flurring with the claws could be seen as giving acess to rend. But normally flurring dissallows any attack but the flurry ones so in my game that would get a no.
I like the concept it made me Think of Tiger in Kung fu panda secrets of the furious five. But i must say that i dont Think the rules tells you to let folks in the party have different WBL. And if they say that they are either wrong ir Bad and shouldent be used.
Rend would take place after the flurry as you are hitting with more then two claws strikes.
Yes but flurry cannot be combined with other attacks.
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Yes but flurry cannot be combined with other attacks.
Flurry can't be combined with natural attacks. It can be combined with other attacks that proc from an attack such as viscous stomp or a grab. Since rend triggers from two successful claw attacks, it would trigger from a flurry, assuming you had FCT with the claws to use them in a flurry.
Yes but flurry cannot be combined with other attacks.
Its not combined with its made in addition too. So after the Flurry you Rend as two of more of your claw attacks hit..
But that is just my take
Rend comes right after the qualifying Attacks and is still a natural Attack you can't combine with flurry of blows.
Yes but flurry cannot be combined with other attacks.Its not combined with its made in addition too. So after the Flurry you Rend as two of more of your claw attacks hit..
But that is just my take
And it May be exactly how the Game is supposed to be played, i dont know. And if your GM allow a Troll monk i am sure he Will also let you rend and if not pehaps get Boar style.
On the power gamer side you May want to consider sacred Fist warprirst with pavaps a two level MOMS dip to get pummeling style. It Will cost very little and give powers that Will help this character stay relevant also after it is no longer relevant to out class the barbarian.
Doest medusa strike add extra attacks to fob?
The two feats seem to be worded similarly.