defending gauntlets again


Rules Questions


So, I was attempting to research whether or not I could use a defending gauntlet and gain it's enhancement to my AC and I saw an Faq referenced at least once, but I cannot find it.

Question is: Since I can switch weapons in between iterative attacks, if I chose to use my defending weapon only on my last attack, would I gain the benefits for the rest of the round?

I can't seem to find the faq that says that the defending gauntlet doesn't work for free AC, but I presume it exists.
Since usually your bottom iterative requires a 20 to hit anyway, is there any real downside to choosing a different weapon with defending on it to have the same odds of landing a hit, but having a guaranteed extra 5 AC?

Grand Lodge

here's the FAQ

I suppose as long as you have a free hand to make the gauntlet attack with, this should work.


You shouldn't need a free hand, because there was anther FAQ that says you can switch between weapons for iterative attacks.

Grand Lodge

Careful.

There is some @sshats out there that won't even consider a Gauntlet really a weapon, will cause you to provoke when used, and make you incapable of threatening.

Better get a Defending Spiked Gauntlet.


Right, spiked gauntlet, that's what I meant actually.


It would technically be legal to do as you're suggesting, but if I was your GM I would tell you no.

It's exploitative.


blackbloodtroll wrote:

Careful.

There is some @sshats out there that won't even consider a Gauntlet really a weapon, will cause you to provoke when used, and make you incapable of threatening.

Better get a Defending Spiked Gauntlet.

Was there really value in insulting those who disagree with you on a completely unrelated point?

To the original topic: it meets the requirements set out by the FAQ, so go for it.

Is there a downside to it? Yeah, cost is the obvious. We're talking 72,000 gold for that five AC. That's not chump change at any level, and you can probably find something much more effective to do with it.

Hands are the next; if you're TWFing this is obviously impossible short of dropping one of your weapons every round (which is a terrible idea, for hopefully obvious reasons). Unless your GM lets you swap between a weapon in-hand and a spiked gauntlet to attack. Mine wouldn't, sadly.

Grand Lodge

I forget how tone is completely absent from text.

That was supposed to sound like joking.

Anyways... are you trying to use a two-handed weapon, two-weapon fight, or something else?


...how could anyone seriously hold the opinion that gauntlets aren't weapons? They're on the weapon list.


DominusMegadeus wrote:
...how could anyone seriously hold the opinion that gauntlets aren't weapons? They're on the weapon list.

It's an odd combination of unarmed strike and manufactured weapon. Some think of it as an unarmed strike enhancer and some see it as a weapon that just happens to enhance unarmed strikes.


DominusMegadeus wrote:
...how could anyone seriously hold the opinion that gauntlets aren't weapons? They're on the weapon list.

The short version: they're on the weapon list under the "unarmed attacks" heading, which would logically make them unarmed attacks-- a subset of weapon, certainly, but not "weapon" in that it functions like a sword. Instead, they'd function like, well, the section they're under: an unarmed attack.


kestral287 wrote:
DominusMegadeus wrote:
...how could anyone seriously hold the opinion that gauntlets aren't weapons? They're on the weapon list.
The short version: they're on the weapon list under the "unarmed attacks" heading, which would logically make them unarmed attacks-- a subset of weapon, certainly, but not "weapon" in that it functions like a sword. Instead, they'd function like, well, the section they're under: an unarmed attack.

Which taken further would mean you provoke unless you have the feat to prevent it, which would be why there is contention.


kestral287 wrote:
blackbloodtroll wrote:

Careful.

There is some @sshats out there that won't even consider a Gauntlet really a weapon, will cause you to provoke when used, and make you incapable of threatening.

Better get a Defending Spiked Gauntlet.

Was there really value in insulting those who disagree with you on a completely unrelated point?

That was totally your fault for reading "asshats" in the wrong tone.

Grand Lodge

Naw, my sense humor doesn't always translate well, via text.

Sorry if anyone took that as a personal attack.


Durngrun Stonebreaker wrote:
kestral287 wrote:
blackbloodtroll wrote:

Careful.

There is some @sshats out there that won't even consider a Gauntlet really a weapon, will cause you to provoke when used, and make you incapable of threatening.

Better get a Defending Spiked Gauntlet.

Was there really value in insulting those who disagree with you on a completely unrelated point?

That was totally your fault for reading "asshats" in the wrong tone.

If you're a comedian and say a word on stage, people laugh. Say that same word in a shady bar and you can get shived over it. Tone and context really do change words meaning. ;)

Grand Lodge

Well, at least I didn't pull a Michael Richards. :)


blackbloodtroll wrote:
Well, at least I didn't pull a Michael Richards. :)

LOL yes, sometimes even the comedian doesn't get any laughs. (and might end up getting shived!) ;)

Randy Marsh: "Stanley, the only reason Daddy used that word is that he thought he would win money."


Apologize...

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