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I'm starting up a new character for the Core Campaign, an aspiring Elf Arcane Archer. At 2nd Level, he'll start taking levels of Wizard and receive an Arcane Bond (which I plan to make a Masterwork Composite [1] Longbow).
My questions are:
1. Can I (given the funds and Prestige minimum) craft my Bond into an Oathbow?
2. If yes, how would the pricing work? Half for the whole thing (13,100gp), or slice off 1k for the first +1 (24,100)? Would/Could the bow be upgraded in iterations? (+1 -> +2 -> Oathbow)
4. Can an Oathbow be made from a longbow without the proper Strength rating in the first place? Would it retain the old Strength rating for move to the Oathbow's listed rating?
For reference: The Oathbow
Venture-Captain, Germany—Bavaria
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Funny I just checked the arcane bond description in the CRB and it is silent on the issue of strength rating (which is relevant, since it would increase the price substantially). Of course if that was not an option you could always replace your current bow with a new one.
1. Should be possible, you pay half price for the upgrade, but I think you need enough prestige to actually afford the sale price.
2. I think you would have to pay 12500 (since you don't have to provide the masterwork (2) bow, but add 100 to bring your bow the proper strength rating. And no usually you can't upgrade named items at all, they have to be created in one go.
4. No the final bow will have the +2 strength rating.
Also this thread really belongs into the advice part the forum.
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Venture-Captain, Germany—Bavaria
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oathbow isnt in core rulebook...What is this thing called an Oathbow described on page 474 of the CRB, pictured on 475 then?
As for the creation, yes, half price and can be done in stages. Note, it does need to be made from a Composite Longbow (STR +2) and can not be made from a +1 STR rating bow.
Price is
Arcane bond - Free - MWK Composite Longbow (+2 STR)
First Upgrade - 1k gold - +1 Composite Longbow (+2 STR)
Second Upgrade - 3k gold - +2 Composite Longbow (+2 STR)
Third Upgrade - 8.5k gold - OathbowThat is what you would be paying, not how much you need in FAME limit.
Damn forgot that the FAQ was a thing:
Can I Upgrade a Named Magic Item?
Named magic items—including specific armor and specific weapons—are not upgradeable. Non-magic specific armor and specific weapons may be upgraded normally. Magic armor and weapons may be upgraded to named versions if they are the same basic material and shape as, and meet but do not exceed the enhancement bonuses of the named versions. Wondrous items whose names include a +X value (such as bracers of armor, headband of vast intelligence, amulet of might fists, etc.) may also be upgraded following the rules for upgrading magical items on page 19 of the Guide to Pathfinder Society Organized Play.Upgraded versions of named magic items may appear on Chronicle sheets.
Intelligent magic items are not available for purchase unless they appear on a Chronicle sheet or are provided as part of a class or archetype (such as the black blade magus archetype)
Actually, and that is not relevant for the OPs question, what happens when a bow has the adaptive enhancemement (which does not actually increase the enhancement bonus) before you turn it into a named item?
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Venture-Agent, Florida—Longwood
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You have to have a caster level equal to the level required for the craft feat or item to get the arcane bond upgrade. Hence, caster level 5 for any weapon including the oathbow (roughly around level 10 for an arcane archer) or caster level 7 for rings or CL 11 for a staff.
Edit: FAQ Link
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All right, I'm hearing a lot of "Masterwork -> Oath Bow in one go."
My plan now is to put Five levels of Wizard with the Transmutation School under my belt and 'lose track of' my old Arcane Bond in favor of one with a +2 STR. I'll pay the 1,000 for the replacement and be able to upgrade that to an Oath Bow.
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Nah, you can go from Masterwork (Str +2) -> +1 -> +2 -> Oathbow.All right, I'm hearing a lot of "Masterwork -> Oath Bow in one go."
But what will it cost if I go that route? If memory serves, only the first upgrade to an Arcane Bond gets the pseudo-Crafting discount in PFS (which I assume carries over to Core).
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You're misremembering. You get the crafting ability with your bonded item always. See the FAQ on it.But what will it cost if I go that route? If memory serves, only the first upgrade to an Arcane Bond gets the pseudo-Crafting discount in PFS (which I assume carries over to Core).Nah, you can go from Masterwork (Str +2) -> +1 -> +2 -> Oathbow.All right, I'm hearing a lot of "Masterwork -> Oath Bow in one go."
Oh that is beautiful. I am so glad that I was proven wrong. As for waiting on +1 until Level 5... I'll just keep Magic Weapon on my list of prepped spells :) (Not the greatest solution, but I'll take it.)
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Best bet is that since you have to wait until caster level 5 to get a +1 bow or the oathbow I'd go straight for the oathbow.Actually, because of a PFS specific rule (the FAQ I just linked) you can't make an Oathbow until CL6, as it's a +2 bow.
With Magical Knack and 5 Levels of Transmuter Wizard, it should work out. The only concern at this point is the Fame minimum, and that can be solved by not playing 3xp/4pp modules.
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Oathbow is a named magic item. Can't be created from a lesser item or upgraded.Psst, you missed what the FAQ on the subject (that was quoted and linked already) says. "Magic armor and weapons may be upgraded to named versions if they are the same basic material and shape as, and meet but do not exceed the enhancement bonuses of the named versions."
Nah, you can go from Masterwork (Str +2) -> +1 -> +2 -> Oathbow.All right, I'm hearing a lot of "Masterwork -> Oath Bow in one go."
D'oh! Missed that. But, Wow, good to know.
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Venture-Captain, Germany—Bavaria
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Oh that is beautiful. I am so glad that I was proven wrong. As for waiting on +1 until Level 5... I'll just keep Magic Weapon on my list of prepped spells :) (Not the greatest solution, but I'll take it.)You're misremembering. You get the crafting ability with your bonded item always. See the FAQ on it.But what will it cost if I go that route? If memory serves, only the first upgrade to an Arcane Bond gets the pseudo-Crafting discount in PFS (which I assume carries over to Core).Nah, you can go from Masterwork (Str +2) -> +1 -> +2 -> Oathbow.All right, I'm hearing a lot of "Masterwork -> Oath Bow in one go."
The difference between a masterwork bow and a +1 bow is 1 point of damage, so just get a scroll or two. Oh and since this is core weapon blanches are't available, but simply only buy cold iron arrows, the cost increase is tiny, and even when you can't identify a creature...
Also blunt arrows are no longer an option, so you might look for a way to deal nonlethal damage.|
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Actually, and that is not relevant for the OPs question, what happens when a bow has the adaptive enhancemement (which does not actually increase the enhancement bonus) before you turn it into a named item?
1) It is no longer eligible for being made into an Oathbow, since you cannot modify (without having the modification on a chronicle) a named magic item.
2) Adaptive, unfortunately, is not available for CORE characters without it being offered on a chronicle.
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Venture-Captain, Germany—Bavaria
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Actually, and that is not relevant for the OPs question, what happens when a bow has the adaptive enhancemement (which does not actually increase the enhancement bonus) before you turn it into a named item?1) It is no longer eligible for being made into an Oathbow, since you cannot modify (without having the modification on a chronicle) a named magic item.
2) Adaptive, unfortunately, is not available for CORE characters without it being offered on a chronicle.
Thank you, I am considering that combo for a normal mode character.
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RPG Superstar 2013 Top 8
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One word of caution: death isn't the final word in PFS but it might get very expensive if you have an upgraded bonded item.
If a bonded object’s owner dies, or the item is replaced, the object reverts to being an ordinary masterwork item of the appropriate type.
I assume that if the bonded item's owner is brought back to life that the bonded object is also restored. It seems like something that should be put into the next version of the CRB.