You can add agile to the dagger
If the weapon has the Agile weapon enhancement and the wielder has Weapon Finesse, then it can be done.
Unless you get your GM to rule that Slashing Grace applies to light weapons, Nope.
In other words, you can use DEX for a non-magical battleaxe but not a non-magical dagger.
This is why people say there should just be "improved weapon finesse" or even letting the DEX/STR to damage be a choice you can make at any time. It's always gotta be needlessly restrictive for some reason.
In other words, you can use DEX for a non-magical battleaxe but not a non-magical dagger.
This is why people say there should just be "improved weapon finesse" or even letting the DEX/STR to damage be a choice you can make at any time. It's always gotta be needlessly restrictive for some reason.
Well, the complication seems to be entirely intentional on the part of the designers. The main feat based methods of getting dex to damage, dervish dance, fencing grace, and slashing grace, are all for 1 handed weapons.
Since 1 handed weapons usually cannot be dual wielded without a lot of pain (and TWF is one of the main users of dex builds), this seems to indicate that they do not want you to easily access dex to damage with TWF.
While you might disagree with that design decision, I will not say that the method is necessarily bad.
Mythic Weapon Finesse, however you have to be a Mythic Character.
In other words, you can use DEX for a non-magical battleaxe but not a non-magical dagger.
This is why people say there should just be "improved weapon finesse" or even letting the DEX/STR to damage be a choice you can make at any time. It's always gotta be needlessly restrictive for some reason.
Well, the complication seems to be entirely intentional on the part of the designers. The main feat based methods of getting dex to damage, dervish dance, fencing grace, and slashing grace, are all for 1 handed weapons.
Since 1 handed weapons usually cannot be dual wielded without a lot of pain (and TWF is one of the main users of dex builds), this seems to indicate that they do not want you to easily access dex to damage with TWF.
While you might disagree with that design decision, I will not say that the method is necessarily bad.
So why have the designers NOT allowed you to use Light Weapons provided you are only attacking with one hand?
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Whirling Dervish swashbuckler archetype is the only thing I can think of.
They modify swashbuckler finesse to treat scimitars as a one-handed piercing weapon, otherwise can still finesse a dagger.
Dervish Dance (Ex): At 4th level, a whirling dervish can use her Dexterity modifier instead of her Strength modifier on melee damage rolls when using her swashbuckler finesse. She counts as having the Dervish Dance feat for purposes of meeting feat prerequisites.
Dex to damage with daggers, and the rest of the light or one-handed piercing weapons + scimitar that's listed from swashbuckler finesse.
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There is a way to get DEX to hit and to damage with TWF, but not with a dasgger.
Use Sawtooth Sabre.
Used TWF, these count as light weapons for Finesse, so they gain DEX-to Hit, yet remain one handed slashing weapons so are eligible for Slashing Grace and get DEX to Damage.
There is a way to get DEX to hit and to damage with TWF, but not with a dasgger.
Use Sawtooth Sabre.
Used TWF, these count as light weapons for Finesse, so they gain DEX-to Hit, yet remain one handed slashing weapons so are eligible for Slashing Grace and get DEX to Damage.
SEE!
It doesn't even accomplish what they wanted to do, why hurt us Dagger bros?
Sure there is.
Be a 5th level Pistolero. Build a pistol that shoots daggers.
Problem solved.
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I think he's really asking "So how do I get Dex to melee attacks and damage without having to spend a precious feat slot on it?"
...I'm pretty sure you're mistaken. An Agile dagger would solve that just fine, and it was the first thing suggested in the thread.
As for the thread topic: As far as I know, there is no Pathfinder-legal feat combination that would allow you to gain dexterity to damage with daggers. If you are open to 3rd party material, Dreamscarred Press are generally well-regarded and have published Deadly Agility, which would fit your criteria perfectly.
There is a way to get DEX to hit and to damage with TWF, but not with a dasgger.
Use Sawtooth Sabre.
Used TWF, these count as light weapons for Finesse, so they gain DEX-to Hit, yet remain one handed slashing weapons so are eligible for Slashing Grace and get DEX to Damage.
SEE!
It doesn't even accomplish what they wanted to do, why hurt us Dagger bros?
Which requires an extra feat to bring online, and requires you to specialize in a particular, peculiar type of weapon.
Daggers show up in AP loot drops. sawtooth sabers probably do not (unless it is an AP involving red mantis assassins; not sure if there is one).
There is always a price. The designers wanted to put a heavy one of dex to damage TWF.
I think he's really asking "So how do I get Dex to melee attacks and damage without having to spend a precious feat slot on it?"...I'm pretty sure you're mistaken. An Agile dagger would solve that just fine, and it was the first thing suggested in the thread.
As for the thread topic: As far as I know, there is no Pathfinder-legal feat combination that would allow you to gain dexterity to damage with daggers. If you are open to 3rd party material, Dreamscarred Press are generally well-regarded and have published Deadly Agility, which would fit your criteria perfectly.
The really absurdly roundabout method is to get Slashing Grace (Sawtooth Saber) and the Human Fighter only feat Martial Versatility (Sawtooth Saber). You now have dex-to-damage for all weapons in the light swords fighter weapon group, including daggers.