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However, it's pretty likely to break on impact, because it's basically volcanic glass you're throwing. That doesn't have to be a problem of course if you have sufficiently good Mending spells available.
The rules at the beginning of that section of the book talk about magically strengthening the fragile materials, and each such material's own entry discusses some of the effects of doing so.
It'll cost you some extra cash, but you can totally have an obsidian weapon that doesn't just shatter on impact.
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Light/one-handed/two-handed apply only to melee weapons (one-handed firearm and two-handed firearm are considered to be a completely different set of designations despite sharing the "one-handed" and "two-handed" phrase, like Race traits and racial Traits). While a Dagger is a light melee weapon that can be thrown as a ranged weapon, a Chakram is a ranged weapon first which just so happens to be able to be used as a melee weapon with specific guidelines (an exception to normal rules regarding ranged weapons). So a Chakram isn't a light nor a one-handed weapon because those categories only apply to weapons that base melee weapons. Therefore, I'd say no, a Chakram can't be made of obsidian because it is neither a spear tip, nor an arrowhead, nor a light or one-handed weapon. For that matter, since it isn't a one-handed weapon, you can't wield it in two hands to get 1.5x Str and Power Attack and since it isn't a light weapon either, you can't use it as a light off-hand with reduced penalties for TWF. Furthermore, this makes rational sense given the nature of the material and impracticality of making such a weapon out of fragile volcanic glass.
Seriously? "you can't use a chakram in the off-hand" because it isn't defined as a light or one-handed weapon in some table? That is a short-sighted interpretation of the rules. I hope that you are not a GM.
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My impression is the that the OP is having the same thoughts I had when I looked through UE: building a thrown weapon character that takes advantage of the fragile weapon feats for bleeding and auto-confirming crits. That's pretty much where those feats make the most sense.
Sadly, RAW restricts you to the Starknife as the "ideal" thrown obsidian weapon. The fact that the author of the weapon did not specify it as a light or one-handed weapon when used as melee restricts it out of the obsidian material. GM fiat can certainly allow it, if that is an option for you, but this would not be PFS legal.
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Light/one-handed/two-handed apply only to melee weapons (one-handed firearm and two-handed firearm are considered to be a completely different set of designations despite sharing the "one-handed" and "two-handed" phrase, like Race traits and racial Traits). While a Dagger is a light melee weapon that can be thrown as a ranged weapon, a Chakram is a ranged weapon first which just so happens to be able to be used as a melee weapon with specific guidelines (an exception to normal rules regarding ranged weapons). So a Chakram isn't a light nor a one-handed weapon because those categories only apply to weapons that base melee weapons. Therefore, I'd say no, a Chakram can't be made of obsidian because it is neither a spear tip, nor an arrowhead, nor a light or one-handed weapon. For that matter, since it isn't a one-handed weapon, you can't wield it in two hands to get 1.5x Str and Power Attack and since it isn't a light weapon either, you can't use it as a light off-hand with reduced penalties for TWF. Furthermore, this makes rational sense given the nature of the material and impracticality of making such a weapon out of fragile volcanic glass.Seriously? "you can't use a chakram in the off-hand" because it isn't defined as a light or one-handed weapon in some table? That is a short-sighted interpretation of the rules. I hope that you are not a GM.
That's not what he said. What he did say is that you can't count it as a light weapon when TWFing, meaning you can't get the reduced penalty.
However, it's pretty likely to break on impact, because it's basically volcanic glass you're throwing. That doesn't have to be a problem of course if you have sufficiently good Mending spells available.
It's a cool thematic weapon, really.
Well, that assumes that the whole thing is obsidian. It could use construction techniques commonly used on larger obsidian based weapons, such as a Terbutje: a wood base with a groove to stick the obsidian into.
It would still be just as fragile as normal though. That would constitute the obsidian either chipping or falling out.
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I don't remember the profiencies, so apologies if this isn't valid due to proficieines. but.
you could carry chakram and a rope dart to use until yo uget called shakram (called imo is better than returning. Because you can move and have it return. only problem is it returns via swift action. But. you can only catch 2 returning chakram anyway due to not having an action to put the caught chakram away. So really not a big difference except called has way more utility saftey.
both are a stop gap until blinkback belt
Well im using my tiefling that has a tail so if needed i got that seeing as far as I can see 3 will be the limit I can throw
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You can make them out of regular Stone instead. I don't think it has the weapon type limitation.
And hey... isn't obsidian a type of stone? Well, glass I suppose...
Sadly stone has the limitation of bludgeoning weapons and arrow tips and it doesn't help lower the cost of the said weapon like obsidian.
1 gold = 1 normal chakram or
1 gold = 2 obsidian chakram
It makes it a lil easier if you want a character that specialize in range and cant afford returning weapons yet.
For what it's worth, Herolab considers a Chakram to be a one-handed weapon when used in Melee. Not a definitive source, but just wanted to throw that out there.
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You can make them out of regular Stone instead. I don't think it has the weapon type limitation.
And hey... isn't obsidian a type of stone? Well, glass I suppose...
Sadly stone has the limitation of bludgeoning weapons and arrow tips and it doesn't help lower the cost of the said weapon like obsidian.
1 gold = 1 normal chakram or
1 gold = 2 obsidian chakramIt makes it a lil easier if you want a character that specialize in range and cant afford returning weapons yet.
Yeah, went to check it out later. The parsing is arguable, but still doesn't help with thrown.
"(Light) and (one-handed bludgeoning) weapons" or "(light and one-handed) (bludgeoning) weapons.
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You can make them out of regular Stone instead. I don't think it has the weapon type limitation.
And hey... isn't obsidian a type of stone? Well, glass I suppose...
Sadly stone has the limitation of bludgeoning weapons and arrow tips and it doesn't help lower the cost of the said weapon like obsidian.
1 gold = 1 normal chakram or
1 gold = 2 obsidian chakramIt makes it a lil easier if you want a character that specialize in range and cant afford returning weapons yet.
Yeah, went to check it out later. The parsing is arguable, but still doesn't help with thrown.
"(Light) and (one-handed bludgeoning) weapons" or "(light and one-handed) (bludgeoning) weapons.
True but a chakram is able to be used in Melee and is consider to be a one-handed weapon
Doing some skimming of the special materials, there seem to be two common phrases for dictating what may or may not be made out of a material:
Weapons made of <material> cost <modifier> times as much to make as their normal counterparts.
-or some variation of-
Light and one-handed melee weapons, as well as two-handed weapons that deal <damage type> damage only, can be crafted from <material>. Hafted two-handed weapons such as spears can be crafted with <material> tips, as can arrowheads
I think this is probably an oversight on the devs since throwing weapons are normally caught by the "arrowheads, spear tips, etc"
Dart, Javelin
Ammentum, Chakram, Hurlbat, Hunga-Munga, Pilum
Bola, Hoomerang, Lasso, net, Throwing Shield, Shuriken
Something that is interesting to note, the "Throwing Axe" is listed under light martial melee weapons while the "Throwing Shield" is listed under exotic ranged weapons.
As a GM, I'd rule that if you could make Shuriken out of a material, you could make Chakram out of that same material. I'd also like to point out that throwing weapons aren't destroyed upon impact (unlike ammunition), otherwise you'd be able to purchase them at ammunition prices (20 for 1 gold or so). So once you have a reasonable supply of Chakram so you don't run out midcombat (25-40), you can just play "pick up sticks" after the battle.
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Am I the only one wondering why he can't pick up his chakrams when combat is done?
If he wants obsidian chakrams he's obviously not enchanting them. So he doesn't have to buy them as ammunition because he's probably not losing them--not unless he's playing on some kind of air/water ship campaign. But these are just throwing weapons that can be recovered.
Just buy enough to get you through one combat and pick them up afterwards.
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Barring the rules, how is your character acquiring/making a circle out of obsidian? The process to make arrowheads/slashing and piercing weapons involves chipping the volcanic glass to create a very sharp edge despite the brittle nature of the material.
A circular weapon would be a nightmare to create with a such a method. If DM allows, strongly suggest upping the craft DC regarding these. Wouldn't apply to magic construction, but they'd be very difficult to create non-magically.
Crystal chakram anyone ?
They're a thrown weapon, function as ammunition (concerning enchants, and being destroyed after hitting, 50% if miss), and they crit on 18...
What are those in? I never seen those before
Exotic eastern weapon. Cited as being from Classic Horrors Revisited, according to the PFSRD.
Classic Horrors Revisited, Derro:
Crystal Chakram: Shaped and carved from quartz or stranger subterranean crystals, these circular throwing discs have
jagged razor-sharp edges. When a crystal chakram strikes a foe, the weapon shatters into tiny sharp fragments; if it misses,
there is a 50% chance the chakram shatters when it hits the ground or another solid object; otherwise it can be retrieved and
used again. A crystal chakram is treated as ammunition for the purpose of creating magic weapons.
Crystal Chakram 20 gp 1d4 1d6 18–20/×2 — 2 lbs. S
There you go. Same basic thing, is an exotic ranged weapon. Might be fun to use with Ki Charge ninja trick or the wounding enchantment if they are going to be exploding into shards of pain in their face anyway.