Samurai and Eldrich heritage (or more accuratly- should I play a dragon bloodline samurai)


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Liberty's Edge

So I was thinking of playing a samurai(sword saint) with the Eldrich heritage feat at level 3. I am particularly partial to the draconic bloodline so i can be (thematically and literally) descended from the 'gods' of my homeland. (The bloodlines do not cover imperial dragons but never mind). The question is should I? Or should I try a different bloodline.

Going with human for the focused study. Mainly for the perception needed for the Eldrich heritage. Other skill focuses going into samurai relevant skills or useful abilities.


Well, it's 2 feats down the drain, for some claws you can use a few times a day. So, mechanically, it's not great.

What build were you thinking for your samurai? Does he have to be the samurai class, for example? Iaijutsu is really terrible unless you start at a high enough level that it's not.

Is this a home game? I may have a suggestion you could barter with your DM maybe.


As Lone said: mechanically not strong. Especially not for just the first power

That said! If you really want to sink feats into it + can get your Cha high enough + the game is going long enough, the full Eldritch Heritage line is at least somewhat viable. You'll probably want the Natural Armor and elemental resistance over the breath weapon, but wings as an endgame feat is decent. In the mean time you got a bonus on the game's most rolled skill, some backup weapons, and a pretty solid defense boost.

'Course, that's if the build can support it. But to me, while the claws alone aren't worthwhile, the full chain just might be.

Sovereign Court

Might as well play a bloodrager, seriously. You can call yourself a samurai, nobody is going to mind.


That actually was going to be one of my alternatives, in case the Samurai class is not set in stone.

In case of a home game, could also ask DM to allow Eldritch Scion+Kensai, Or Daring Champion, with Tactician replaced with Resolve and proficiency replaced with Samurai stuff.

Liberty's Edge

Just so you know, I haven't been able to get into pathfinder, despite my intrest. This is mostly down to my geographical location (New Zealand in the north island), my unfamiliarity with locations and groups to actually play the game, my family mostly being uninterested in Roleplaying games, and the fact I am still in school (granted for a repeat of year 13 but still).

As for your suggestions, the bloodrager sounds good, though the main draw to the samurai was the idea of the concept. A ronin samurai with the blood of the dragons flowing through his veins, scaled claws for combat, armoured skin, the ability to breath lightning and fly (though the wings kind of get in the way of the illusion of the decedance from Eastern (imperial) dragons). With a little luck and a lot of gambles, I might just have made it work.

Grand Lodge

If going dragon claws is your main combat option, you will be much happier in Bloodrager then Samurai.

In Samurai, you have no claws till 3rd, and they are still gonna be rather weak even once you get em.

In Bloodrager, your claws are avalible on your first day out, do slightly better damage, and do not require feats.

If you are looking for a place to play, there is always Society. I do not know where or when they meet, but the contact info is in the Guide to Organized Play.

Side note, you may want to go Half Elf for any Edritch Heritage using concept. They get a free Skill Focus at 1st level, lowlight vision and a +2 to perception. You miss out on 1 skill point per level, but that is it.

Sovereign Court

well guess what we were mostly saying, Samurai is more like a position in society.

You can be called a Samurai in society and be a paladin, a fighter, a slayer, a monk etc...without actually taking the samurai class. Being a Bloodrager or eldritch scion would be a simpler way for you to use draconic powers and stronger mechanically.

Now of course, there is nothing wrong with going the samurai with eldritch heritage feats, if that what you really want to do, well then go for it, not much else to say.


If you really want claw use Bloodrager(Rageshaper) is really good.

Liberty's Edge

Thanks, might look into trying to find a game of society.

As for the weapons, I'm still sticking with samurai. Bloodrager is nice mechanically but it's not what I'm aiming for. For one, I'm only using one sword (the katana) for main combat, with my free hand in a gauntlet for defensive grabbing manuvers, punches to the face, and throwing knives at people. I will be bringing a wakizashi for times when the katana isn't going to be useful. The bloodline is more for theme though the mechanical bonuses don't hurt.
I might go with the half elf as a race instead of human, with part of the backstory being that my mother was an elven geisha and my dad was a samurai of the Doragon no chi clan (dragon blood clan, where nearly every member is descended in part from dragons). I am a ronin because, to be honest, I had issues with some of the people being let in the clan, namely some rather dodgy sorcerers who only joined to gain power over others.

Shadow Lodge

A daring champion cavalier is actually better for this, they are natural einhanders, the only thing they lack is katana proficency but thats easy to get, specailly since half elves can get it for free. Anyway thats another suggestion I can give you.

Plus the samurai class is really alternative cavalier. Remember to bring many katanas, due to unfortunate mechanics you wont be able to use your iajutsu strike unless you bring many katanas a have quickdraw

Liberty's Edge

ElementalXX wrote:

A daring champion cavalier is actually better for this, they are natural einhanders, the only thing they lack is katana proficency but thats easy to get, specailly since half elves can get it for free. Anyway thats another suggestion I can give you.

Plus the samurai class is really alternative cavalier. Remember to bring many katanas, due to unfortunate mechanics you wont be able to use your iajutsu strike unless you bring many katanas a have quickdraw

Question 1. Which unfortunate mechanics mean I need to carry more than 1-2 katanas, because I believe you might be trying to have me drop swords, which you should never do unless absolutely necessary.

2. I would personally prefer to stay as the samurai and pickup the ancestral tetsubo, the big whacking 4x critical, 1d10 blunt instrument of pain. And I think I might do that for on the back. It's only 10lbs. And I can still get the knifes for throwing.

3.Samurai do get QuickDraw. They get it as part of a package called weapon expertise, which gives quick draw for katanas, wakizashi and the naginata (which I am not using). It's at level 3 but considering the tetsubo and feats taken to boost critical damage at level 2, I think I have an ok chance.

Shadow Lodge

iajutsu strike wrote:
After the sword saint has challenged a foe but before he has attacked the target of his challenge, he may choose to use his iaijutsu strike as a full-round action, making an attack roll with his weapon as normal. In order to use this ability, the sword saint’s weapon must be sheathed at the start of his turn.

I bolded the relevant parts. The problem there is no way to quick sheath so you will have to either aproach an enemy unarmed and do nothing on your fiesr turn for you to use iajutsu on next turn or else you carry many weapons (not neccesarily katanas) in order to quickdraw them when you use iajutsu. By dropping and quickdrawing.

Also remember you cant get expertise with tetsubo so yill have to get quickdraw anyway, specially if you want to do throwing.

Expertise wrote:
At 3rd level, the samurai selects either the katana, longbow, naginata, or wakizashi. The samurai can draw the selected weapon as a free action as if he had the Quick Draw feat.

If you really want to pull this off i suggest to talk to your dm, for pfs it may ba difficult to make it work tought

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