I'd be okay with a stretch goal like that. Everyone loves bloodlines! Its what made sorcerers pop in the transition from 3.5 to Pathfinder.
Yeah, I agree on stretch goal.
Alright, so let's throw out what we have for stretch goals so far. Let me know what is important to you by ranking them from 1-4, 1 being highest, 4 being lowest. Bear in mind that the economic realities of some stretch goals might force me to put them higher than you like.
A: Endzeitgeist to write a series of four bloodlines.
B: Free onmyoji PDF for everyone. New onmyoji-themed parent bloodline with subbloodlines.
C: Bloodlord base class
D: Color art
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An umbral dragon bloodline would be cool
So would a bloodline for each race, like how kobald and human each have one, and how the genie touched races sorta have one each
A numerian regional bloodline would also be cool.
I would particularially like a kitsune bloodline.
Just tossing out ideas.
I'll think about backing you, how much do you have to donate to get a copy of the finished product?
An umbral dragon bloodline would be cool
So would a bloodline for each race, like how kobald and human each have one, and how the genie touched races sorta have one each
A numerian regional bloodline would also be cool.
I would particularially like a kitsune bloodline.
Just tossing out ideas.
I'll think about backing you, how much do you have to donate to get a copy of the finished product?
$15 for a PDF with option to buy a hardcover at cost
$25 for a PDF with option to buy up to four hardcovers at costBefore this tinker thing pulled me away like an excited schoolgirl, I was actually working on an umbral dragon bloodline. It'll be done today or tomorrow.
Alright, so let's throw out what we have for stretch goals so far. Let me know what is important to you by ranking them from 1-4, 1 being highest, 4 being lowest. Bear in mind that the economic realities of some stretch goals might force me to put them higher than you like.
A: Endzeitgeist to write a series of four bloodlines.
B: Free onmyoji PDF for everyone. New onmyoji-themed parent bloodline with subbloodlines.
C: Bloodlord base class
D: Color art
1. D
2. C3. A
4. B
Though I honestly want them all if possible.
A. 3 (sorry End, love ya but those other options...)
B. 1 (love onmyoji)
C. 2 (yay class!)
D. 4 (art is nice, but I like content better)
Alright, so let's throw out what we have for stretch goals so far. Let me know what is important to you by ranking them from 1-4, 1 being highest, 4 being lowest. Bear in mind that the economic realities of some stretch goals might force me to put them higher than you like.
A: Endzeitgeist to write a series of four bloodlines.
B: Free onmyoji PDF for everyone. New onmyoji-themed parent bloodline with subbloodlines.
C: Bloodlord base class
D: Color art1. D
2. C
3. A
4. B
Though I honestly want them all if possible.
Same ranking for me.
Though honestly, for B, I place the new onmyoji-themed parent bloodline with subbloodlines on top of getting the free onmyoji. Mostly because new content is new content, while I can get an onmyoji pdf right now, before the kickstarter becomes active. Which is what I think I'll do. Improving sales for it means it has a higher chance of getting supplements later right?
Though honestly, for B, I place the new onmyoji-themed parent bloodline with subbloodlines on top of getting the free onmyoji. Mostly because new content is new content, while I can get an onmyoji pdf right now, before the kickstarter becomes active. Which is what I think I'll do. Improving sales for it means it has a higher chance of getting supplements later right?
Onmyoji is getting supplemented the next time I have a chance to do free work. We got a 1st-level class feature, three feats, and three petitions rolling in.
So, yes, good sales means expansions. The tinker still sold a dozen copies last month. It deserves a day of my time a few times a year.
Alright, I'm back on this! Feeling a bit tired, so I'll try to get an easy bloodline done tonight. Umbral and kaiju tomorrow.
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Alright, it's pretty obvious the bloodlord has become the ground floor stretch goal, so I've done some design on it. Here's a "sketch" proposal.
BAB: 3/4
Hit Die: d8
Saves: Good Fort, Will
Bloodlines: Pick 2 sorcerer bloodlines, 2 bloodrager bloodlines
I will call them Sorc A, Sorc B, Rager A, Rager B. Like multiclassing, Sorc A and Rager A need to share a parent bloodline. Sorc B and Rager B need to share a parent bloodline. The two pairs can be totally unrelated.
You get the bonus spells of ALL of the bloodlines as 1/day spell-like abilities. When you get a bonus feat, you can select from the combined lists of ALL bloodlines. As for the bloodlines themselves, you get the 1/3/9/15/20 of sorc, as well as the 1/4/8/12/16/20 of bloodrager. Each day, you "prepare" your bloodline powers, meaning you look at the level 1 entry for Sorc A and the level 1 entry for Sorc B, pick one, and move to the level 3 entry. This makes your character a bit of a modular blank slate.
Beyond this quadruple bloodline feats and spells with modular double bloodline powers chassis, I really don't think the class needs much. Just be generous with bonus feats and throw it at playtesting.
Of course, bonus points to any smartass who Eldritch Heritages on a 5th bloodline.
And we'll need a class feature that simulates bloodraging.
And maybe cantrips?
also behir may make a good dragon/serpentine combo,
as well as a yellow musk for undead/verdant
dragonne for a dragons/destined maybe?
chaos beast for aberrant/impossible
dragon turtle screams aquatic/dragon to me
gremlins make a good fey/misfortune
thats it for ideas for now.
feel free to mine at...mine
Aye, makes sense this idea has been done up a number of times in the past. I'll hope to do it better than my predecessors in an effort to make it the one that sticks. No offense, of course.
And remember, kids, it's chaos beast, not chaos spa- *djgsijghlkjsdhgljksdhbgil*
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Also, maybe a third pair of bloodlines at 10th level? Oh, how about am ability where he can give some of his blood for others to drink and he lends them a bloodline power he isn't using? Like, lose X HP to lend a 1st level power, 2x HP for a 3/4 level ability and lose 1 con for an 8/9/12 level ability?
A bit of an aside, here. Thank you, everyone, for swooping on in and matching Interjection Games' January income in only 12.5 days. Let's keep this going so I have the cash to get freelancers to increase production!
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How's about the ability to fastswap a bloodline ability to the one he's not using X times a day? I'll need to write it up before I see how the balance works, but I'm really seeing this as a "bloodline incarnum"
Hm. I feel like the class needs something of its own too, something unique or custom.
Also would be nice to see the rage if it stays able to use str or dex.
Grats on the Feb income!
Alright, question. Is a hybrid class allowed to take levels in either of its parents? I'm assuming "no", but see no ruling. (And if it's no, this becomes REALLY easy to write.)
Hm. I feel like the class needs something of its own too, something unique or custom.
Also would be nice to see the rage if it stays able to use str or dex.
Grats on the Feb income!
Looking at how this works, I can allow the class to give away bloodline powers if he's totally locked out of the power for the duration. For example, if you give away your 3rd-level sorcerer bloodline power, you simply don't have one. You can't quickswap your bloodline power for that slot. It is GONE, and Bob has it instead. Now, you can quickswap the power on Bob if you want to.
The more I look at this, it's what the Umbra should have been. It expands with Paizo rather than requiring my input to keep it growing.
Obviously, the class feature that makes this happen must be called the transfusion pool.
Alright, question. Is a hybrid class allowed to take levels in either of its parents? I'm assuming "no", but see no ruling. (And if it's no, this becomes REALLY easy to write.)
of course it can, if it couldnt there would be no point to sub-bloodlines ;)
Alright, question. Is a hybrid class allowed to take levels in either of its parents? I'm assuming "no", but see no ruling. (And if it's no, this becomes REALLY easy to write.)of course it can, if it couldnt there would be no point to sub-bloodlines ;)
Ah, right. That. Hell.
Fine, I'm going to roll up my sleeves and write the 500-word beast of a rule that makes this class worth buying.
Originally, they could not. Paizo since reversed that. Generally it isn't worth dipping into parent classes as a lot of the features do not stack or plain don't work together at all.
Looking forward to what you come up with anyway! I absolutely love bloodlines so really hoping for something that fits in a niche with the other two.
So that's the reason why the bloodrager/sorcerer bloodline link rule is so janky. It's the result of a quickly-done fix to halt negative opinion on another rule. It also makes the Parent Classes line utterly useless, so I guess I won't be using it in the future.
Presenting the alpha of the bloodlord, a hybrid bloodlines base class using rules or wording from the following existing base classes:
bloodrager, maestro, monk, onmyoji scion of discordia, sorcerer, wizard.
Conclusion: A class in one day? I need to do derivative work that would get Sheldon Cooper to scoff at me more often!
Google Drive link.
had to request access
Zog. One sec.
Updated link sharing. On the offchance it changes the link subtly...
Does bloodboil only give you the bonus on saves vs spell effects and your bloodrager abilities? I feel like it should be tied into the transfusion pool. Maybe use the pool to augment it somehow.
As it is, I can't see the pool as it is laid out being used very much. You can pop a use or two before a fight for your arcanas but it is cheap to swap and not sure how often it would come up. You seem to get a lot of pool with not a lot of ways to use it consistently. Could you perhaps use the pool for additional uses of the spell-like abilities too?
I also get the feeling the class might have some trouble actually fighting. Most med BAB classes have a way to boost up their to hit in some way or something to even it out. That said...it is a med BAB with a limited selection of spell-like abilities that do get up to 9th level spells. How effective they may or may not be really comes down to those spells and which bloodlines they have. With the pure number of options it becomes very hard to evaluate.
Does bloodboil only give you the bonus on saves vs spell effects and your bloodrager abilities? I feel like it should be tied into the transfusion pool. Maybe use the pool to augment it somehow.
As it is, I can't see the pool as it is laid out being used very much. You can pop a use or two before a fight for your arcanas but it is cheap to swap and not sure how often it would come up. You seem to get a lot of pool with not a lot of ways to use it consistently. Could you perhaps use the pool for additional uses of the spell-like abilities too?
I also get the feeling the class might have some trouble actually fighting. Most med BAB classes have a way to boost up their to hit in some way or something to even it out. That said...it is a med BAB with a limited selection of spell-like abilities that do get up to 9th level spells. How effective they may or may not be really comes down to those spells and which bloodlines they have. With the pure number of options it becomes very hard to evaluate.
Aye, that's exactly my worry. This chassis gives me a number of places to hang alterations should the need come up. As is, there's a lovely flow of abilities piling in, leaving 11th, 17th as possible places for extra oomph.
Once the bloodrager SLAs kick in, I'm no longer worried about the class, though a toy or two before 7th level might be a good idea. I'm considering burning transfusion points while bloodboiling to get full BAB for a round.
bloodboil is unclear how it works with the abyssal bloodrager bloodlines abyssal bloodrage, although my best guess is you gain a +2 morale bonus and a -4 AC during bloodboil.
Given bloodboil has no base penalty, it would be +2 morale bonus and -2 AC to start.
That said, I can see where you're coming from. It's the second weakest part of the class. Weakest is the last line of the bonus spells paragraph.
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Also, what about Witch Patron Bloodlines?
Or, for a new base class, Witchblooded. A Bloodrager with Barbarian and Witch, Bonus Spells from Witch, bonus feats helping the witch in you, instead of a familiar-like patron those things in the blood? I'd like to use that Prehensile Hair-Attack while raging :-)
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Or, for a new base class, Witchblooded. A Bloodrager with Barbarian and Witch, Bonus Spells from Witch, bonus feats helping the witch in you, instead of a familiar-like patron those things in the blood? I'd like to use that Prehensile Hair-Attack while raging :-)
Um... o.o
This is about sorcerer/bloodrager bloodlines, not witches though...sounds like that should be an entirely different class or product to me personally.
A lot of patrons are just very generalized bloodlines anyway under a different name. All the patrons do really is give you some bonus spells so really if you wanted you could just yoink the spell lists from the bloodlines and call them a patron.
I dunno you could probably make something like witchborn as a subbloodline of accursed and impossible.
The issue I see there is the established flavor makes the familiar the source of all the powers. Now, angled to be a witch's curse, es possible.
1 - The base class sounds incredibly interesting as a concept. a bit of it is going over my head (i'm better when i see examples in front of me for this stuff)
2 - Color Art. I'm a big fan of books that have this. While i can do black and white just fine, i feel like having color in there makes it even better.
3 - Endzeitgeist. Huge fan of their stuff overall
4 - free things. I love free things that get thrown on top of stuff, but the others sound better to me.
best of luck with the kickstarter! definitely want to back it when it's up :D
1 - The base class sounds incredibly interesting as a concept. a bit of it is going over my head (i'm better when i see examples in front of me for this stuff)
2 - Color Art. I'm a big fan of books that have this. While i can do black and white just fine, i feel like having color in there makes it even better.
3 - Endzeitgeist. Huge fan of their stuff overall
4 - free things. I love free things that get thrown on top of stuff, but the others sound better to me.best of luck with the kickstarter! definitely want to back it when it's up :D
Glad to have you on board, sir.
Also, finished bloodline
Umbraborn (Draconic, Elemental (cold))
One minor economic note. A color book at the funding level I'd expect for color would add $3 to $4 to your printing costs.
The 20 bloodlines cooked up so far this month are available on Google Drive for those with access. Enjoy!
Current counts.
Aberrant: III
Abyssal: I
Accursed: I (Change Vampire)
Aquatic: III
Arcane: III
Black Blood:
Boreal:
Celestial: I
Daemon:
Deep Earth: III
Destined: II
Draconic: VI
Dreamspun: I
Elemental: VI
Fey: IIII
Impossible: I
Infernal:
Kyton:
Maestro: I
Martyred:
Nanite: II
Oni:
Pestilence: III
Protean:
Serpentine:
Shadow:
Shaitan:
Starsoul: IIII
Stormborn:
Undead: IIII
Verdant: II
Subbloodlines not included in calculation: Finished components of Sins and Virtues series; bloodlines developed by she with many names
Div, Djinni, Efreeti, Ghoul Sorcerer, Harrow, Marid, Rakshasa all to be made subbloodlines
Change of plans, lads! After getting the entire matrix written up above, I noticed there's tons of weak points, so I'm filling the holes in and doing as many requests as possible, but the remaining virtues and sins are right out and going for stretch goals. Gojira is likely safe.
Finished:
Couatl (Celestial, Destined, Serpentine)
Polyfiend (Abyssal, Daemon, Infernal)
On Deck:
Evertormented (Black Blood, Kyton)
Shouldn't kyton be made a subbloodline of infernal and shadow?
Also boreal plus starsoul equals aurora bloodline.
Shouldn't kyton be made a subbloodline of infernal and shadow?
I'm waffling on that, to be perfectly honest. Kytons are deliciously distinct from the other breeds of infernal thanks to Paizo's work on them, and if Daemons get a bloodline, Kytons deserve that, as well.
Well the back story is kytons being devils that escaped to the plane of shadow. Daemons are the third evil alignment arc between devils and demons.
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Well the back story is kytons being devils that escaped to the plane of shadow. Daemons are the third evil alignment arc between devils and demons.
We sound like a couple of biologists debating new species vs. new subspecies here.
....lol we really do
I had a botany teacher define the nomenclature wars as the War of the Lumpers and Splitters...
Only two factions? Your botany teacher was OBVIOUSLY a lumper.