Hi i have this question about the possibility of full parry and riposte or opportune parry and riposte
Opportune Parry and Riposte (Ex): At 1st level, when an opponent makes a melee attack against the swashbuckler, she can spend 1 panache point and expend a use of an attack of opportunity to attempt to parry that attack.
expend a use? so it is possible to expend more panache points to expends more attacks of oportunity (considering you have combat reflexes)?
Exactly. (The wording "use of an AoO" means that you tick off the one of your available AoOs for the round, but you don't actually "attack" with it.)
duelist:
Parry (Ex): At 2nd level, a duelist learns to parry the attacks of other creatures, causing them to miss. Whenever the duelist takes a full attack action with a light or one-handed piercing weapon, she can elect not to take one of her attacks. At any time before her next turn, she can attempt to parry an attack against her or an adjacent ally as an immediate action.
Riposte (Ex): Starting at 5th level, a duelist can make an attack of opportunity against any creature whose attack she successfully parries, so long as the creature she is attacking is within reach.so the same you can elect not to take more than one attack? and wait for attacks from the enemy?
I'm not an expert on the duelist, but I read that as "one attack only". Now, I don't see why you can't the parry from the swashbuckler and the riposte from the duelist: a parry is a parry, and the riposte ability doesn't specify you have to use the duelist parry.
Seeing as the Duelist's parry states that it requires an immediate action, they can only parry one attack per round, but if you use the Swashbuckler's parry instead, you can keep parrying as many times as you have panache to burn and if you have the Duelist's riposte you can make an attack of opportunity after each parry which is a fairly nice little combo. Hope that helps clarify that for you :)
let's say the swashbuckler with an 18 dex and combat reflexes who has 5 panache to spend gets attacked by multiple assailants.
It seems to me he can elect to parry each incoming attack in turn (at the cost of one AoO and one Panache) until he is out of AoO's , Panache or both….you can choose which attacker to riposte against.
IF you also had five levels of duelist, it seems you could riposte more than just once…however you are expending more AoOs…which would limit your number of parries.
So if you had 4 available AoOs and 5 Panache, and 4 attackers….
you parry attacker 1 (1 AoO and 1 Panache) and riposte him, You parry Attacker 2 (1 AoO, 1 Panache and another AoO) and you can riposte him; you Then can only Parry Attacker three (1 AoO and 1 Panache) because you are out of AoOs in order to use up for the duelists class ability for duelist riposte.
so really…you get an additional riposte for 5 levels of duelist… I think I would rather have 5 more levels of swashbuckler, IMHO.
I think duelist is dead.
That's assuming an 18 in Dex though. Since Dex to damage is pretty easy for a Swashbuckler, by the time you can add in 5 levels of Duelist you should have at least 24 Dex, which will add in an extra 3 AoOs, netting you +2 ripostes. Negating 4 attacks per round instead of just one is a significant boost to survivability, so I wouldn't say the Duelist is dead quite yet.
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You missed an important part of the Swashbuckler class ability:
Opportune Parry and Riposte (Ex): At 1st level, when an opponent makes a melee attack against the swashbuckler, she can spend 1 panache point and expend a use of an attack of opportunity to attempt to parry that attack. The swashbuckler makes an attack roll as if she were making an attack of opportunity; for each size category the attacking creature is larger than the swashbuckler, the swashbuckler takes a –2 penalty on this roll. If her result is greater than the attacking creature's result, the creature's attack automatically misses. The swashbuckler must declare the use of this ability after the creature's attack is announced, but before its attack roll is made. Upon performing a successful parry and if she has at least 1 panache point, the swashbuckler can as an immediate action make an attack against the creature whose attack she parried, provided that creature is within her reach.
You spend an Immediate Action to riposte, so only one riposte is allowed per round. However, you can still parry more blows, one per AoO spent (assuming you have enough Panache).
Also note you can use a feat later to get Signature Deed, reducing the Panache cost to 0 for Opportune Parry and Riposte. therefore, you can parry up to your number of AoO per round for no Panache cost. You will still be limited to one Riposte though, as you only get one Immediate Action per round.
You missed an important part of the Swashbuckler class ability:
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You spend an Immediate Action to riposte, so only one riposte is allowed per round. However, you can still parry more blows, one per AoO spent (assuming you have enough Panache).
Also note you can use a feat later to get Signature Deed, reducing the Panache cost to 0 for Opportune Parry and Riposte. therefore, you can parry up to your number of AoO per round for no Panache cost. You will still be limited to one Riposte though, as you only get one Immediate Action per round.
Ah, but if you use the Duelist's riposte instead of the Swashbuckler's then it becomes just an attack of opportunity and it doesn't blow your immediate action so as long as you have enough attacks of opportunity you can do it all day every day.