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How many of the attack and damage rolls in a Pummeling Charge sequence are treated as charge attacks?
When you make the additional attack roll that all feed into your pummeling strike, how many, if any, of the attack rolls get the +2 bonus for charging, and how many of the damage rolls are affected by abilities like Spirited Charge or the cavalier Order if the Sword ability that adds the mounts damage to mounted charge attacks?
I wonder if they won't release any FAQs about ACG and just wait for their Errata on it that they are working on. A lot of these questions seems like they wouldn't take much effort to figure out an answer.
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When using Pummeling Charge - all of them.
When it comes to the +2 bonus, all of them. Just like a Druid and Pounce.
When it comes to Spirited Charge, it depends. If it only applies to the first attack, the momentum after that first damage is depleted and therefore it only applies to the first damage roll as implied by the Cavalier FAQ on that subject. Other abilities, may imply that it adds to the damage roll for every attack.
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When using Pummeling Charge - all of them.
When it comes to the +2 bonus, all of them. Just like a Druid and Pounce.
When it comes to Spirited Charge, it depends. If it only applies to the first attack, the momentum after that first damage is depleted and therefore it only applies to the first damage roll as implied by the Cavalier FAQ on that subject. Other abilities, may imply that it adds to the damage roll for every attack.
That's a nice way to rule it, but you have to make up your own rules for that to work. They either are charge attacks, or they aren't. If they get the +2, they also get the modified damage.
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All of them receive the +2 bonus to attack from Charge, there is NO reason for them not to. Pummeling Charge+Pummeling Style = Pounce. Druids get +2 to attack rolls to each and every attack, so do Unarmed combatants using Pummeling Style+PCharge. There is no "making up rules for it to work" about it. That's how it is. Every single one of them is a charge attack, because guess what; They're attacks used in conjunction with a charge! Shocking I know. Do what you want though.
Since when does Charge add +2 to damage?
Are you building some kind of weird Sacred Fist/Cavalier or something?
It was ruled you only get the +2 Attack bonus from charging in the first attack from Pounce, so I'd say just the first one.
I immediately checked for it, actually, and misremembering isn't fun. It was a lance + pounce FAQ, and it removed the ability to get extra damage on all your attacks.
Still, not unreasonable to apply that to attack tools too. Creatures with pounce are jumping onto their target. Characters are running over and(in this case) making "one" punch. That punch may have a ton if Attack rolls behind it, but you're still stopping to make it.
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All of them receive the +2 bonus to attack from Charge, there is NO reason for them not to. Pummeling Charge+Pummeling Style = Pounce. Druids get +2 to attack rolls to each and every attack, so do Unarmed combatants using Pummeling Style+PCharge. There is no "making up rules for it to work" about it. That's how it is. Every single one of them is a charge attack, because guess what; They're attacks used in conjunction with a charge! Shocking I know. Do what you want though.
Since when does Charge add +2 to damage?
Are you building some kind of weird Sacred Fist/Cavalier or something?
Who said charge adds +2 to damage? I said if it gets the +2 charge bonus then it's a charge attack and it would get the modified damage from spirited charge as well. Saying otherwise is making up rules.
So, if I'm a Sohei, or a Sacred Fist/Cavalier, or a Monk/Cleric with a domain that grants an animal companion or any of the other builds that are capable of combining mounted combat with Pummeling Charge, how does it all come together. How much damage do I deal if I'm a Sohei with Pummeling Charge, Spirited Charge, and 6 flurry attacks? Do all of the pseudo-attacks get a charge bonus? The lance FAQ makes it clear that iterative attacks in a charge shouldn't get charge benefits but fails to address the to-hit bonus. Pummeling Charge clouds the issue in that there's only one actual attack being made, so the logic from the FAQ doesn't really apply. The Pummeling Style feat refers to determining the damage and to-hit of the attacks "as normal" which is terribly vague. As normal for iterative attacks? As normal for an attack made under those conditions (i.e. charging)?
There isn't one attack being made though. If there was, only one attack roll would be rolled.
Combat while Mounted
With a DC 5 Ride check, you can guide your mount with your knees so as to use both hands to attack or defend yourself. This is a free action.
When you attack a creature smaller than your mount that is on foot, you get the +1 bonus on melee attacks for being on higher ground. If your mount moves more than 5 feet, you can only make a single melee attack. Essentially, you have to wait until the mount gets to your enemy before attacking, so you can't make a full attack. Even at your mount's full speed, you don't take any penalty on melee attacks while mounted.
If your mount charges, you also take the AC penalty associated with a charge. If you make an attack at the end of the charge, you receive the bonus gained from the charge. When charging on horseback, you deal double damage with a lance (see Charge).
I bolded the relevant areas. Technically you don't count as charging while mounted, but you do modify your to hit and AC as if charging. This means no rhino hide, no pummeling charge and nothing that triggers from you charging. Your mount counts as charging and that is what triggers the lance bonus while charging.
I can understand how this can be misinterpreted. I certainly believe this is worthy of a FAQ just for clarification.
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Combat while Mounted** spoiler omitted **
I bolded the relevant areas. Technically you don't count as charging while mounted, but you do modify your to hit and AC as if charging. This means no rhino hide, no pummeling charge and nothing that triggers from you charging. Your mount counts as charging and that is what triggers the lance bonus while charging.
I can understand how this can be misinterpreted. I certainly believe this is worthy of a FAQ just for clarification.
There is a FAQ on mounted combat and charging.
Both rider and mount are charging.
Both charge in unison, suffer the same penalty to AC, the gaining the same bonus to the attack rolls and following all other rules for the charge. The mounted combat rules are a little unclear on this. Replace the third paragraph under the "Combat while Mounted" section on page 202 with the following text. Note that a "mounted charge" is synonymous with a "charge while mounted," and that when a lance is "when used from the back of a charging mount" it is during a mounted charge not when only the mount charges.
A mounted charge is a charge made by you and your mount. During a mounted charge, you deal double damage with your first melee attack made with a lance or with any weapon if you have Spirited Charge (or a similar effect), or you deal triple damage with a lance and Spirited Charge.
This change will be reflected in future printings of the Pathfinder RPG Core Rulebook
On another topic, Pummeling Style has been errataed as well.
No, Pummeling Style is intended to work with only unarmed strikes. Add the line. “You can only use Pummeling Style with unarmed strikes”. This will be reflected in future errata.