Hi there!
I was just thinking of the possibility of a Tengu Slayer for PFS play somewhere along the line. Since they're supposed to be good at being either a rogue or a ranger with their higher DEX & WIS, I figured they should be be good at the new Slayer class that hybridized the two.
So, I threw together a 20 point buy Tengu Slayer at first level. No really stellar stats. Which is hard to do without having more than one stat that's a stinker. Here's what I got:
STR 14 (not brawny, not scrawny)
DEX 16 (good for Weapon Finesse & AC)
CON 12 (oh well, can't have everything)
INT 12 (a few extra skills never hurts!)
WIS 16 (good for tracking and WILL saves!)
CHA 8 (slayers aren't out to win popularity contests!)
Taking Weapon Finesse to take advantage of the Swordtrained racial trait, which could be built up with Slayer talents.
I was thinking of the Dark Archives faction to get the Librarian trait, which would make Linguistics a Class skill, which would take advantage of the Gifted Linguist racial trait as well. Or is there a not-faction trait that would do the same thing? Then again, I could always the Cosmopolitan feat later to do much the same, later on, since that +4 Linguistics bonus is slightly better than just having a class skill.
Anyway, if anyone has any comments about this, it would be appreciated. I've not yet played either a Tengu or Slayer. But I thought it looked like a fun mix.
Thanks in advance, eh?
If you're building a tengu slayer may I suggest that you make a dex based build completely.
Take 1 level of swashbuckler or daring champion cavalier. This will get you weapon finesse for free and you will be proficient in all sword-like weapons. In this case you will use Sawtooth Sabers, which work like light weapons for TWF. As your first level feat you take Slashing Grace to get dex to damage.
This enable you to retool your stats. I would use something like:
STR: 10 DEX: 17 CON: 14 INT: 10 WIS: 12 CHA: 10
before racial adjustments.
Then start leveling into Slayer. At that point it's a pretty straight forward two weapon fighting build.
You can't take slashing grace at 1st level if you're not a human or a class that gets a bonus feat. It requires Weapon Focus.
Go for the natural attack build instead. Take the claws racial trait and you get three full BAB attacks at first level. Weapon Finesse will allow them to work off Dex. A regular slayer with TWF would get a third attack at level 6, but at a -2/-2/-7. You can spend 2 PP to get a wand of magic fang, though you'd have to UMD it unless there's someone you play with regularly who plays a ranger, druid, or summoner. Oil of Magic Fang would also work. An amulet of mighty fists would be the purchase you save up for.
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You should get someone else to play a Tengu, then you can be arrested for attempted murder.
I already mentioned this in another similar tengu thread, but two weapon fighting with improved unarmed strike plus feral combat training for claws would work with a Slayer as well.
Basically you just use two weapon fighting with unarmed strikes, while anything you do to make your unarmed strikes better boosts claws as well - Brawling Armor, Dragon Style, etc. - and you've essentially got full iterative strength-based two weapon fighting with a whole package of extra attacks. Unarmed strikes are ambiguous, but flavor-wise you could just call it a whole furious flailing mess of punching and clawing. An Amulet of Mighty Strikes starts to look like a bargain when you're getting to enhance three natural attacks and a whole 'two-fist' iterative chain with one item.
... and you've essentially got full iterative strength-based two weapon fighting with a whole package of extra attacks...
Do Unarmed attacks and Natural Attacks really work in combination? What about in a flurry? Can you point to the clause of it please?
If you're building a tengu slayer may I suggest that you make a dex based build completely.
Take 1 level of swashbuckler or daring champion cavalier. This will get you weapon finesse for free and you will be proficient in all sword-like weapons. In this case you will use Sawtooth Sabers, which work like light weapons for TWF. As your first level feat you take Slashing Grace to get dex to damage.
This enable you to retool your stats. I would use something like:
STR: 10 DEX: 17 CON: 14 INT: 10 WIS: 12 CHA: 10
before racial adjustments.Then start leveling into Slayer. At that point it's a pretty straight forward two weapon fighting build.
I was kind of thinking along those lines at first. But, as Paladin of Baha-who? pointed out, you also need Weapon Finesse with a specific weapon to make that one work.
On the other hand, I could bump up dex a bit and lower the strength a tad. I just don't want him too weak to carry around much gear.
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... and you've essentially got full iterative strength-based two weapon fighting with a whole package of extra attacks...Do Unarmed attacks and Natural Attacks really work in combination? What about in a flurry? Can you point to the clause of it please?
Unarmed Attacks and Natural attacks do work in combination, it's specifically mentions it in the natural attacks section of the CRB, it also mentions that your natural attacks become secondary attacks when you do so. You cannot flurry of blows with natural attacks to my knowledge. Only unarmed strikes and monk weapons, unless of course you're playing a class/archetype that allows you to perform a flurry with other weapons.
Go for the natural attack build instead. Take the claws racial trait and you get three full BAB attacks at first level. Weapon Finesse will allow them to work off Dex. A regular slayer with TWF would get a third attack at level 6, but at a -2/-2/-7. You can spend 2 PP to get a wand of magic fang, though you'd have to UMD it unless there's someone you play with regularly who plays a ranger, druid, or summoner. Oil of Magic Fang would also work. An amulet of mighty fists would be the purchase you save up for.
I'd have to think about that; I rather like that Swordtrained trait. which I'd have to give up for the Claws racial trait.
But, if I did do that, then the claws would be primary and the beak would become secondary?... I think. Which would probably only affect how much STR bonus to add to a successful hit.
And if I did do that, what weapons would be good for TWF and Slashing Grace combined (further down the road)? Maybe the Kukri, for it's good crit range?
You should get someone else to play a Tengu, then you can be arrested for attempted murder.
You lost me there.
I already mentioned this in another similar tengu thread, but two weapon fighting with improved unarmed strike plus feral combat training for claws would work with a Slayer as well.
Basically you just use two weapon fighting with unarmed strikes, while anything you do to make your unarmed strikes better boosts claws as well - Brawling Armour, Dragon Style, etc. - and you've essentially got full iterative strength-based two weapon fighting with a whole package of extra attacks. Unarmed strikes are ambiguous, but flavour-wise you could just call it a whole furious flailing mess of punching and clawing. An Amulet of Mighty Strikes starts to look like a bargain when you're getting to enhance three natural attacks and a whole 'two-fist' iterative chain with one item.
That does look kind of interesting. I just kind of like the idea of the Swordtrained racial trait too. Then again, the natural attacks do have the distinct advantage of always being available.
Decisions, decisions, eh?
I've been thinking of a two-bladed sword Tengu Slayer with 18 Str and 10 Dex lately myself.
I'm partial to the idea of a DEX based slayer. Mostly to take advantage of Weapon Finesse and also for the inherent AC boost. And it's also a bit more helpful with ranged weapons, which I assume would be a big part of a slayer's back of tricks. Although I could be wrong, not having played a slayer before.
Having 2 claws does not make your bite attack a secondary, but using a weapon or unarmed strike would. Also, a group of crows is called a murder of crows, therefore, trying to group together as tengu could be considered an attempt at a murder.
My bad. I missed the bit about a murder of crows. I should have caught that one. That's a lot more obvious than talking about showing off an ostentation of peacocks. Oh well. Not enough caffeine today. That's my excuse (as usual).
It's like the cartoon I once saw about cops in a bar full of crows and the bartender (a crow, of course), told the cops "Of course there was a murder here, this is a crow bar!" (it's a bit of a groaner, I know).
Well, I guess taking the Claws racial trait could work. Although it would mean swapping out for that cool Swordtrained racial trait. And it would probably be worthwhile to have a strength of at least 14 to give those three natural attacks (2 claws and a bit) a bit of extra starch, since they only do 1d3 each. And Weapon Finesse would enhance the chances of those natural attacks landing too.
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You should get someone else to play a Tengu, then you can be arrested for attempted murder.You lost me there.
I'm partial to the idea of a DEX based slayer. Mostly to take advantage of Weapon Finesse and also for the inherent AC boost.
It's mostly to take advantage of the combat style allowing TWF without splitting focus between Dex and Str.
You should get someone else to play a Tengu, then you can be arrested for attempted murder.You lost me there.I'm partial to the idea of a DEX based slayer. Mostly to take advantage of Weapon Finesse and also for the inherent AC boost.It's mostly to take advantage of the combat style allowing TWF without splitting focus between Dex and Str.
I got the Murder of Crows bit after Deighton Thrane walked me through that. I'm fixing up a good belt of caffeine as I type this! :P
You got a point there about high STR. Taking TWF as a slayer talent lets you use it without needing the 15 Dex prerequisite. Fair enough.
That being said, wouldn't a race like the Nagaji, or some other race with a STR boost be a better choice than a Tengu, as a slayer taking TWF without a high DEX?
It would, but I was specifically thinking about using a double weapon like the two-bladed sword, which tengus get proficiency with. A half-orc with a double-axe would be better stat-wise, but I already have a half-orc character.
Hadn't thought of a Half-Orc like that. That would be interesting...