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For everyone's convenience, when deleting posts because there are "other threads about that," would you mind posting links to those threads so that people know where they should go?
I'd honestly love to work for Paizo as an employee--it would truly be my dream job--but I don't think they would hire someone as opinionated as myself.Again, apologies if this seems like sticking my nose into your business or too opinionated, but I'd say, put your name in and let Paizo be the one to determine if they want you or not. Why dash your dream job without even giving yourself a chance?
Again, to the goal of getting a female developer, why would you withhold such a qualified candidate as yourself? The worst they can say is no.
Late to this thread--I usually try to avoid posting any more, and especially feel unsafe in gender-based threads after a shaming attack on me awhile ago for daring to say I wanted to speak to my friends in my own voice, and no one had my back on the situation--but I found this and feel the need to speak up:
Christina, your attitude on this and similar are one big reason why there are not enough women applying in typically male-dominated industries. (It is not the only reason, and it is not the only hurdle women face, but the other reasons are not the subject of my post.)
Men, typically, are conditioned to develop their ambition and competitiveness. Women, typically, are conditioned to develop relative humility and cooperativeness. (Emphasis on "typically" to note of course there are exceptions to the rule, and I hope it is very clear to all I am speaking very generally). Women often psych themselves out of applying for promotions or asking for raises because they come up with reasons why they aren't good enough, rather than thinking about and defending why they ARE.
Many women, when approaching their careers, assess themselves on their flaws. "I'm too opinionated" (socially typically seen as VERY undesirable in a woman, so women are especially often inclined to feel ashamed of such a trait even though having an opinion is not an evil thing), "I'm not qualified enough," "I...
Thank you, very eloquent and insightful.
I am male, and some my female colleagues suffer from a near identical fate in the industry I work in (Visual Arts).
Yes I have male ambition and competitiveness that you speak of. However, I was mentored by a long-list of females. I owe them everything, they went beyond the call of duty to educate me.
From my experience, the female characteristic of nurturing and caring is a incredibly valuable asset. They love things in a way I never could and provide hope in the darkest of times.
I am viewed by my colleagues as the best at what I do, sometimes male ambition is brought up as pertinent cause, although it's actually a result of strong female mentoring.
p.s you shouldn't let anyone discourage you from posting, from what you just wrote you have plenty of important things to say.
In the end, a company should focus on hiring the best candidate for the position. Period. No company should bear the burden of hiring someone primarily because of his/her gender, orientation, ethnicity, etc. Successful companies hire the best person, regardless of any of that.
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In the end, a company should focus on hiring the best candidate for the position. Period. No company should bear the burden of hiring someone primarily because of his/her gender, orientation, ethnicity, etc. Successful companies hire the best person, regardless of any of that.
Sure, in an ideal world, where companies don't play into prejudices such as "women are inferior employees because they bleed once per month" or "all Mexicans are illegal thieves so I ain't hiring no mex crap in my True American company".
Sure, in an ideal world, where companies don't play into prejudices such as "women are inferior employees because they bleed once per month" or "all Mexicans are illegal thieves so I ain't hiring no mex crap in my True American company".In the end, a company should focus on hiring the best candidate for the position. Period. No company should bear the burden of hiring someone primarily because of his/her gender, orientation, ethnicity, etc. Successful companies hire the best person, regardless of any of that.
I don't know how much time you've spent in the Southwest US but hiring practices tend to favor Chicano workers (for various reasons some of which aren't pretty.) Leaving my anecdotal information aside, employment data simply doesn't support that statement. As a business owner in the Southwest I take great offense to the idea of that stereotype. The idea of the big stupid racist southern white power broker is about as offensive as, ... Idk, ... Beedy-eyed, greedy, dirty, stupid, drunk, pinko, theiving Polacks.
I don't know how much time you've spent in the Southwest US but hiring practices tend to favor Chicano workers (for various reasons some of which aren't pretty.) Leaving my anecdotal information aside, employment data simply doesn't support that statement. As a business owner in the Southwest I take great offense to the idea of that stereotype. The idea of the big stupid racist southern white power broker is about as offensive as, ... Idk, ... Beedy-eyed, greedy, dirty, stupid, drunk, pinko, theiving Polacks.
Hiring imbalances tend to take place in large chains and among industries with a bunch of politics and hierarchy. So in general small businesses where the owner is personally hiring people tend to be less racist/sexist because it'd be really obvious given the owner's direct involvement, but once you get a layer or two of bureaucracy in the way things tend to get bigoted. Usually the bigotry is from further up the chain and not directly by a hiring manager. It also isn't a problem exclusive to by any means to the south. In fact the South Western United States is actually ahead of the curve with regard to minority employment by a lot, it's just that the small number of bigots and fascists still left are very very loud.
I don't know how much time you've spent in the Southwest US but hiring practices tend to favor Chicano workers (for various reasons some of which aren't pretty.) Leaving my anecdotal information aside, employment data simply doesn't support that statement. As a business owner in the Southwest I take great offense to the idea of that stereotype. The idea of the big stupid racist southern white power broker is about as offensive as, ... Idk, ... Beedy-eyed, greedy, dirty, stupid, drunk, pinko, theiving Polacks.In the end, a company should focus on hiring the best candidate for the position. Period. No company should bear the burden of hiring someone primarily because of his/her gender, orientation, ethnicity, etc. Successful companies hire the best person, regardless of any of that.Sure, in an ideal world, where companies don't play into prejudices such as "women are inferior employees because they bleed once per month" or "all Mexicans are illegal thieves so I ain't hiring no mex crap in my True American company".He didn't mention Southern. That was you reading into it.
And I've heard similar prejudices in the Northeast. Not always and not everyone, of course. But I've heard them.Hiring data, along with pay and raises and promotion and some controlled experiments strongly support that racial and gender prejudices, even ones much less blatant than Gorbacz's example, play a large role in the American workplace. Throughout the country.
Mentioning Chicano prejudice automatically comes with Southwest US attached. That's like mentioning racism oppressing black people and then when someone mentions slavery saying "you read that into it, he didn't say slavery." The struggle of Chicano people was born in Mexico and lived in the Southwest for hundreds of years. Modern population dilution doesn't change heritage, and doesn't allow you to make comments that ignore it.
I don't know how much time you've spent in the Southwest US but hiring practices tend to favor Chicano workers (for various reasons some of which aren't pretty.) Leaving my anecdotal information aside, employment data simply doesn't support that statement. As a business owner in the Southwest I take great offense to the idea of that stereotype. The idea of the big stupid racist southern white power broker is about as offensive as, ... Idk, ... Beedy-eyed, greedy, dirty, stupid, drunk, pinko, theiving Polacks.Hiring imbalances tend to take place in large chains and among industries with a bunch of politics and hierarchy. So in general small businesses where the owner is personally hiring people tend to be less racist/sexist because it'd be really obvious given the owner's direct involvement, but once you get a layer or two of bureaucracy in the way things tend to get bigoted. Usually the bigotry is from further up the chain and not directly by a hiring manager. It also isn't a problem exclusive to by any means to the south. In fact the South Western United States is actually ahead of the curve with regard to minority employment by a lot, it's just that the small number of bigots and fascists still left are very very loud.
The "My True American Company" part pretty well takes large corps out of the claim statement...
Actually anti-mexican/latino prejudice is in a lot of parts of the US. The worst institutionalized ones are a in Florida and California.
I don't see any balding, overweight, male 40-somethings who spend too much money on games they'll never play and like to watch Superfriends! cartoons at night while eating Jell-O on the staff either.
I cry foul, good sir/ma'am!
Where is *my* protected status!?
If Paizo were making bras, I'd venture to say it'd be a good idea to have a woman or two. If Paizo were making jock straps, maybe there would be more men. For an RPG, hire the best HUMAN*, regardless of skin color, gender, or any other "identifier".
Oh, you already do that, you say? Then carry on!
It would seem that the gaming community in particular would be able to embrace MLK's "Dream" speech whole-cloth by now - in all it's permutations (color, race, creed, disability, sex, etc.). Artifical appointments (yes, "affirmative action" for any reason) is an insult to all involved and perpetuates what we claim we're trying to overcome.
* Not withstanding any possible intelligent dolphins, whales, apes, monkeys, or extraterrestrial beings, etc.
Sorry if this isn't PC enough for some, but IMO that is at least 50% of what is wrong with the discourse in Western civilization at this time.
Give it a try. What do you have to lose? A little bit of time? A stamp and an envelope? Even if the chance is minuscule, isn't a shot at a dream job worth that much at least?"A stamp and an envelope?" Save your $0.49—I don't think I've seen a resume arrive by mail in 20 years!
20 years? Since 1994? Really? =P
Much to be said for a paper resume. Much more likely to be seen.
At my company, we PRINT OUT electronic resumes. In electronic form, they all run together and no one stands out.
I don't see any balding, overweight, male 40-somethings who spend too much money on games they'll never play and like to watch Superfriends! cartoons at night while eating Jell-O on the staff either.
I cry foul, good sir/ma'am!
Where is *my* protected status!?
If Paizo were making bras, I'd venture to say it'd be a good idea to have a woman or two. If Paizo were making jock straps, maybe there would be more men. For an RPG, hire the best HUMAN*, regardless of skin color, gender, or any other "identifier".
Oh, you already do that, you say? Then carry on!
It would seem that the gaming community in particular would be able to embrace MLK's "Dream" speech whole-cloth by now - in all it's permutations (color, race, creed, disability, sex, etc.). Artifical appointments (yes, "affirmative action" for any reason) is an insult to all involved and perpetuates what we claim we're trying to overcome.
* Not withstanding any possible intelligent dolphins, whales, apes, monkeys, or extraterrestrial beings, etc.
Sorry if this isn't PC enough for some, but IMO that is at least 50% of what is wrong with the discourse in Western civilization at this time.
Have you actually read the thread at all?
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Not if the company say to submit resumes electronically. If you mail in a resume to a company that doesn't want them mailed in, it gets thrown in the "does not follow instructions" pile, which usually resides in a garbage can.Much to be said for a paper resume. Much more likely to be seen.
This is 100% true. I put specific instructions in my job listings and auto-reject any that don't follow those instructions.
Would I accept a resume that was mailed if I didn't specify electronic submission? Yes. However, by the time that piece of dead tree has been placed inside a couple of metal boxes moved around by burning dead dinosaurs and then carried around by a couple of apes, I've probably already done a round of interviews. If I'm hiring for a position, I'm hiring as fast as I can get someone in, and electronic submission is instant.
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I don't see any balding, overweight, male 40-somethings who spend too much money on games they'll never play and like to watch Superfriends! cartoons at night while eating Jell-O on the staff either.
Actually, that's me. And I'm pretty well represented here, as a class.
And even if I wasn't, I'm pretty well represented at many other game companies, as a class.(I also happen to be well represented here and at other game companies personally.)
Now I will note that discrimination against the obese is real, and I'm not happy with the fact that heroic characters are rarely allowed to be overweight (no, not never -- but rarely. And the slimification and sexualization of Amanda Waller in comics and on TV, as well as the defattening of both current TV Mycroft Holmes, bugs the heck out of me).
But it really, truly, is a different thing.
And I'm quite sure someone as obese as I am would have a rougher time if they were also a minority or female.
The concept of social priveledge isn't about everything coming easy to you. It's about there being a factor outside your control that makes things harder or easier than someone else would be in the same circumstances, with the same skills, making the same decisions.
The fact that I am regularly ridiculed for my size, that having food and food containers thrown in my face is an almost-monthly occurrence, that I have been attacked and heated for being overweight, does NOT in any way negate the fact that my life would almost certainly be more difficult if I weren't a white male.
Pretending fat balding males are the same kind of category as women as a whole is missing the point and, in my opinion, a bit insulting to all concerned.
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