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Just to be clear, I'm not trying to cheese the game. I am however, wanting to know as to whether this is at all legal by RAW or RAI. I recently came from a thread that made me think about this.
The Elven Curve Blade is a two-handed weapon. It is finessable by it's wording. The Aldori Dueling Sword is a two-handed weapon. It is finessable by it's wording. With the Agile enchant, we can get our Dex to Damage using those.
They both qualify for that.
Using Power Attack, we can get 1.5x times the normal PA bonus; or -1 attack for +3 damage each 4 BAB instead of the normal -1/+2, for both of these weapons.
They also both qualify for this as well.
The part that is confusing to me, as I'm not too familiar with weapons since I usually roll with Unarmed characters or Casters, is the 1.5x Str option.
Question #1: When replacing Str for Dex bonus, by extension, does it work in conjunction with feats/abilities that offer a 1.5x Str bonus?
Per the Agile enchant, it states "A wielder with the Weapon Finesse feat can choose to apply her Dexterity modifier to damage rolls with the weapon in place of her Strength modifier. This modifier to damage is not increased for two-handed weapons, but is still reduced for off-hand weapons."
So immediately, I see that the Elven Curve Blade is completely disqualified for 1.5x Str - Even if the above question happens to be a "Yes".
Then I realize that it states "Two-Handed Weapons". The Aldori Dueling Sword is a One-Handed Weapon potentially wielded in two hands for the bonus.
Question #2: Does this qualify to gain the, by extension, 1.5x Str bonus when wielding in two hands?
With a +4 Dex Mod, +1 Magical Weapon for allowing Agile, Weapon Finesse, Agile, <Weapon>, Wielding 2-Handed, and Power Attack, the math could come out to:
Elven Curve Blade +1 w/Agile: 1d10 +4, +0(no 2H bonus), +1(Magical), +3 for PA = 1d10+8.
Aldor Dueling Sword +1 w/Agile: 1d8 +4, +2(no 2H bonus), +1(Magical), +3 for PA = 1d8+10
Question #3(if the above is qualified for RAW): Are these calculations correct?
Thank you for your time.
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Agile never grants a 1.5 dex to damage for wielding in two hands.
I'm not trying to split hairs here, but are you sure? I don't see that stated anywhere unless you're referring to a specific FAQ or Developer Post.
In the Agile description, it states "This modifier to damage is not increased for two-handed weapons, but is still reduced for off-hand weapons."
It never mentions one-handed weapons, or wielding weapons with two hands. This is the confusing part.
Two-Handed Weapons =/= Wielding a One-Handed Weapon with Two Hands.
I don't really care whether it's legal or not, but I just want clarity on it. I feel it was an oversight with loose wording myself.
Where in one-handed weapons, agile, or anywhere does it say add 1.5 dex? it doesn't. They added the line you bolded to help prevent questions. People are used to two-handed weapons doing more, so they went a said it doesn't to preemptively answer those questions.
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Where in one-handed weapons, agile, or anywhere does it say add 1.5 dex? it doesn't. They added the line you bolded to help prevent questions. People are used to two-handed weapons doing more, so they went a said it doesn't to preemptively answer those questions.
So what you're saying, is the answer to Question #1, is No. Correct?
It's not the best wording, as two-handed weapons is a category of weapons, but it does not necessarily have to mean that definition (and I don't believe it does). It can also just refer to weapons that are used with both hands (one-handed grip vs. two-handed grip).
Take it in context with the rest of the sentence, "but is still reduced for off-hand weapons." There is no weapon category of "off-hand weapons", but there are weapons that can be wield in an off-hand.
Since one part of the sentence is referring to hands being used to wield, rather than a weapon category, I think the rest of the sentence should be assumed to be doing the same thing. (i.e. two-handed weapons in this case just means a weapon wielded in two hands)
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Where in one-handed weapons, agile, or anywhere does it say add 1.5 dex? it doesn't. They added the line you bolded to help prevent questions. People are used to two-handed weapons doing more, so they went a said it doesn't to preemptively answer those questions.So what you're saying, is the answer to Question #1, is No. Correct?
Yeah. Weapons wielded in two hands do 1.5 str because there is a rule that says they do. There is no rule in Agile, Dervish Dance, Slashing Grace, Fencing Grace, or the Aldori Sword Lord class that states you ever get 1.5 Dex with a one handed weapon used in two hands. There are rules in every one of those things that either force you to use one hand, or specifically deny 1.5 desk in two hands.
There is nothing that grants 1.5 dex to damage when using two hands in any of the methods to get dex to damage, so you don't get an increased bonus.
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Where in one-handed weapons, agile, or anywhere does it say add 1.5 dex? it doesn't. They added the line you bolded to help prevent questions. People are used to two-handed weapons doing more, so they went a said it doesn't to preemptively answer those questions.So what you're saying, is the answer to Question #1, is No. Correct?Yeah. Weapons wielded in two hands do 1.5 str because there is a rule that says they do. There is no rule in Agile, Dervish Dance, Slashing Grace, Fencing Grace, or the Aldori Sword Lord class that states you ever get 1.5 Dex with a one handed weapon used in two hands. There are rules in every one of those things that either force you to use one hand, or specifically deny 1.5 desk in two hands.
There is nothing that grants 1.5 dex to damage when using two hands in any of the methods to get dex to damage, so you don't get an increased bonus.
Thank you. That answers my question more directly.
Thank you, Everyone!