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If I throw a one handed sword, is it a ranged attack? Is the sword a ranged weapon for that attack? Curious on what the details are here. (for purposes of Mythic Spellbreaker feat)

Grand Lodge

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I say yes you can. In regards to using a Sword as a thrown weapon as the PRD states
"It is possible to throw a weapon that isn't designed to be thrown (that is, a melee weapon that doesn't have a numeric entry in the Range column on Table: Weapons), and a character who does so takes a –4 penalty on the attack roll. Throwing a light or one-handed weapon is a standard action, while throwing a two-handed weapon is a full-round action. Regardless of the type of weapon, such an attack scores a threat only on a natural roll of 20 and deals double damage on a critical hit. Such a weapon has a range increment of 10 feet."

The nature of an "attack of opportunity" is as a quick interrupt action or as the PRD states "a single melee attack". So I would say you could at least throw a light or one handed weapon as an AoO.


"A single melee attack" is not throwing a weapon. You cannot make AoO with thrown weapons without the Snap Shot feat.

Any thrown weapon is a ranged attack, so it uses your dex for the to hit roll and strength for damage modifier.

Edit: Just went and looked at the feat of Mythic Spellbreaker...dammit mythic changes so many rules.

Based on the text of Mythic Spell Breaker I think this works the way you're wanting, but you have to spend a use of Mythic Power.

Grand Lodge

Claxon wrote:
"A single melee attack" is not throwing a weapon

Yes I know.

I was stating that to show that an AoO is "single melee attack". A single melee attack is usually considered a standard action and so in regards to the feat in question the player could throw a light or one handed weapon as that is a standard attack and fits within the concept of the time frame indicated by the "a single melee attack" description of an AoO. They could not, however, throw a two-handed weapon as that would be a a full round action and exceeds that time frame.


Thanks. So throwing falcata at guy mythic guy who casts within 30 feet by spending 2 mythic points is possible? Also, maybe some wrist sheaths with daggers in them would be good for this?


The Daring Dragoon wrote:
Claxon wrote:
"A single melee attack" is not throwing a weapon

Yes I know.

I was stating that to show that an AoO is "single melee attack". A single melee attack is usually considered a standard action

Sorry, no. A single melee attack is a single melee attack. You can make an attack as standard action, but it doesn't mean that a single melee attack is a standard action. You can use your standard action to make a melee attack, but that's all. A single melee attack is almost never a standard action. You cannot make an aoo with an attack that require a standard action to be done.

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and so in regards to the feat in question the player could throw a light or one handed weapon as that is a standard attack and fits within the concept of the time frame indicated by the "a single melee attack" description of an AoO.

To demonstrate this you should prove that an aoo is a standard action.

Grand Lodge

Blackstorm wrote:
The Daring Dragoon wrote:
Claxon wrote:
"A single melee attack" is not throwing a weapon

Yes I know.

I was stating that to show that an AoO is "single melee attack". A single melee attack is usually considered a standard action

Sorry, no. A single melee attack is a single melee attack. You can make an attack as standard action, but it doesn't mean that a single melee attack is a standard action. You can use your standard action to make a melee attack, but that's all. A single melee attack is almost never a standard action. You cannot make an aoo with an attack that require a standard action to be done.

To be honest I think I've gotten off the point of my statement, Claxon you're right in that it's only the feat that allows him to elect to throw a weapon as a ranged attack. I totally hyper focused AoO part of the feat and on what constitutes a "single melee attack" action that I confused my own statement by saying that he could throw a sword as part of a AoO thinking it was part on the standard AoO response of the feat. Rather it is that, yes he can throw a sword as a response to the ranged attack option of that feat.

What an embarrassing mix up! Derp! This is what happens when you post at work, while answering the phone and dealing with people coming into your office and talking to you while type.

That of course totally negates my statements my response post. But Blackstorm's comments got me to think about to what type of action is a "single melee attack" there are some interesting things I've found in the PRD. There are several entrees that describe a "single melee attack" as a standard action.

"Piledriver (Ex): At 11th level, as a standard action, a foehammer may make a single melee attack with a weapon from the hammer weapon training group"

"Devastating Blow (Ex): At 19th level, as a standard action, a foehammer may make a single melee attack with a weapon from the hammer weapon training"

"Gorgon's Fist (Combat)
Benefit: As a standard action, make a single (in this case)unarmed melee attack against a foe whose speed is reduced..."

The PRD also has several entrees which lists a "single melee attack" as an immediate action and as a swift action in addition to it being listed as a standard action. I could not find any specific definition of the term in the rules (unless I missed it) and based on it's appearance in several entrees it seems that the term counts as several types of actions, one of which is a standard action.


Thanks again.

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