spirited charge + vital strike ruling.

[rorek55]

So according to yhis- FAQ the debate has come to an end and vital strike has been made worthless yes?

IE. I can no longer combine spirited charge and vital strike?

[Chess Pwn]

Yes. The only semi useful use for vital strike is with the warpriest, picking it up early.

[Nefreet]

I think you linked the wrong FAQ. That one clarifies that both the rider and their mount are considered to be charging together for the purposes of feats and abilities.

THIS is the FAQ that clarifies you cannot Vital Strike on a Charge, and it was made almost two years ago.

[Jeff Merola]

Nefreet wrote:

I think you linked the wrong FAQ. That one clarifies that both the rider and their mount are considered to be charging together for the purposes of feats and abilities.

THIS is the FAQ that clarifies you cannot Vital Strike on a Charge, and it was made almost two years ago.

No, he linked the right one. Prior to the FAQ he linked (which was still made quite some time ago) it was ruled that mounted charges weren't actually charges, the rider just spent whatever action was needed to Handle Animal, gaining the benefits of a charge without technically charging. The ruling was made to stop pouncing with a lance, but allowed Vital Strike (cavalier uses a free action to direct his mount, uses a standard at the end of his mount's charge to vital strike). They then decided to reverse that ruling so now you can pounce with a lance again but can no longer vital strike.

[Nefreet]

But, you still couldn't combine Spirited Charge with Vital Strike, even before the more recent FAQ, because of the previous FAQ.

(unless there's some acrobatic rules lawyering that I'm unaware of)

[rorek55]

Which is silly. They hate vital strike lol. Will have to house rule it now :(

[Jeff Merola]

Nefreet wrote:

But, you still couldn't combine Spirited Charge with Vital Strike, even before the more recent FAQ, because of the previous FAQ.

The FAQ you linked says you can't because of action limitations. There were no such limitations prior to the FAQ the OP linked, as the previous ruling was that the rider didn't spend his own actions on the charge, only the mount's.

[Malvos]

I have found Vital Strike immensely effective (I have the Improved version on this character).

High level combats are often quite mobile, and getting a full attack becomes more and more difficult. Hitting for one big shot after moving is handy, especially if your target can't respond in kind.

[Nefreet]

Jeff Merola wrote:

Nefreet wrote:

But, you still couldn't combine Spirited Charge with Vital Strike, even before the more recent FAQ, because of the previous FAQ.

The FAQ you linked says you can't because of action limitations. There were no such limitations prior to the FAQ the OP linked, as the previous ruling was that the rider didn't spend his own actions on the charge, only the mount's.

But you could still only pick one or the other. You were either Vital Striking, or Charging.

Now, granted, prior to two years ago I am unaware what the debate was. That's around the time I came to these forums.

[Jeff Merola]

Nefreet wrote:

Jeff Merola wrote:

Nefreet wrote:

But, you still couldn't combine Spirited Charge with Vital Strike, even before the more recent FAQ, because of the previous FAQ.

The FAQ you linked says you can't because of action limitations. There were no such limitations prior to the FAQ the OP linked, as the previous ruling was that the rider didn't spend his own actions on the charge, only the mount's.

But you could still only pick one or the other. You were either Vital Striking, or Charging.

Now, granted, prior to two years ago I am unaware what the debate was. That's around the time I came to these forums.

No, no, the ruling at the time was that a mounted charge totally wasn't a charge, you just got most of the benefits and penalties of one. They ruled this so you couldn't Pounce with a Lance from horseback.

Malvos wrote:

I have found Vital Strike immensely effective (I have the Improved version on this character).

High level combats are often quite mobile, and getting a full attack becomes more and more difficult. Hitting for one big shot after moving is handy, especially if your target can't respond in kind.

I'd rather spend my limited feats on something else, since Vital Strike (and its line) does nothing when you do full attack and when you don't for most weapons it doesn't actually give that much more damage.

[Malvos]

My first two PFS characters were both front liners. I built this character for one big hit (at level 12 it's now 11d6) and I built my other character for multiple hits.

In my most recent game with my other character (who was level 14 at the time) the combatants were intelligent and mobile. Despite being Hasted and having 4 attacks, I only ever got 1.

Most of those fights had me wishing I'd brought my Vital Strike character.

Edit: and the Vital Striker can still full attack when he needs to.

[Lord Inventor Reldic Emerson]

Vital strike has its uses for monks, and other creatures with high damage dice, or a great sword. But usually there are much better things to spend the feat on. Greatswords aside. Vital strike would work much better if it functioned with other mobile feat lines but it doesn't.

[Malvos]

I agree that if Vital Strike and Spring Attack worked together, I'd salivate.

[Durngrun Stonebreaker]

Need to move before and after?

Bestial Leaper (Ex): wrote:

While raging, the barbarian can take a move action to move and can take her normal standard action at any point during the move. A barbarian must have the raging leaper rage power and be at least 6th level before selecting this rage power.

Fly-by Attack works too.

[Malvos]

Not every character has access to those abilities, though.

Sometimes Vital Strike is your best option.

[Durngrun Stonebreaker]

Malvos wrote:

Not every character has access to those abilities, though.

Sometimes Vital Strike is your best option.

I meant those in combination with vital strike. I'm a big fan of the feat myself.

[Lord Inventor Reldic Emerson]

My large monk is too. Even if he is banned from using it with spring attack now in PFS :( nowif you ever get ONE mythic tier. Mythic vital strike.... Omg. Lol