Is level a bonus type


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Given the new FAQ Do levels count as sources of a bonus like ability scores do? (Borrowed phrasing from wraith)

This heavily impacts for example the Daring Champion Archetype. It seems that it would not stack given the new FAQ regarding stats as a secondary source since level could easily be considered a secondary source and getting double level to damage would not be ok.


my gosh are you really doing this? No it's doesn't mean that. What would imply that level is the same thing as a stat? Now a better question would be asking if they are going to make level a secondary bonus, but this faq doesn't mean it is.

there that's a much better question.


Why ask this question? It is not said or implied anywhere in that FAQ. The FAQ is about stats, and stats alone.

It's like if when they errataed Crane Wing if you'd suddenly convinced yourself Snake Style no longer worked either. The two things are unrelated concepts.


thank you, that is exactly how I feel.


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How dare you ask a question in the Rules Questions forum!


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I think you phrased the question incorrectly. What should be asked is " Do levels count as sources of a bonus like ability scores do?"

There is a big difference between the two questions and ability scores counting as a source now is why you can't stack them.


wraithstrike wrote:

I think you phrased the question incorrectly. What should be asked is "Do levels count as sources of a bonus like ability scores do?"

There is a big difference between the two questions and ability scores counting as a source now is why you can't stack them.

Sadly, given the new FAQ effectively gives Ability Score Modifiers a Bonus Type, I'd say this is actually a valid question.


Legowaffles wrote:
wraithstrike wrote:

I think you phrased the question incorrectly. What should be asked is "Do levels count as sources of a bonus like ability scores do?"

There is a big difference between the two questions and ability scores counting as a source now is why you can't stack them.

Sadly, given the new FAQ effectively gives Ability Score Modifiers a Bonus Type, I'd say this is actually a valid question.

I phrased it poorly.

Sorry.
My bad.

I still think the question is valid despite my poor phrasing.


Undone wrote:
Legowaffles wrote:
wraithstrike wrote:

I think you phrased the question incorrectly. What should be asked is "Do levels count as sources of a bonus like ability scores do?"

There is a big difference between the two questions and ability scores counting as a source now is why you can't stack them.

Sadly, given the new FAQ effectively gives Ability Score Modifiers a Bonus Type, I'd say this is actually a valid question.

I phrased it poorly.

Sorry.
My bad.

I still think the question is valid despite my poor phrasing.

Any bonus from a level is an untyped bonus, and a level itself is not a bonus. However any number you get by virtue of a level could possibly consider the level as a source, which is why I think that is the better question. Hopefully however when they (PDT) do an expansion on the FAQ they can answer that question also.


Durngrun Stonebreaker wrote:
How dare you ask a question in the Rules Questions forum!

I mean the gall of some people to ask questions! The nerve! :P

wraithstrike wrote:

I think you phrased the question incorrectly. What should be asked is " Do levels count as sources of a bonus like ability scores do?"

There is a big difference between the two questions and ability scores counting as a source now is why you can't stack them.

I'd have asked a more general question about nested sources but that one will work. :)


Just for those of us who are out of the loop, can I get a link to this new FAQ?


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Claxon wrote:
Just for those of us who are out of the loop, can I get a link to this new FAQ?

Here you go.


Mark Seifter Designer wrote:
Also, to everyone looking at "level as a source" and the swashbuckler's precise strike deed. Agnostic of whether level might become a source (we didn't say it was), the deed say it doubles the bonus, so it's a multiplier and would work regardless. Anyway, there is not some further scope that this FAQ is currently intended to reach.

So Mark says that level isn't a source, at least for now.


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wraithstrike wrote:
Sadly, given the new FAQ effectively gives Ability Score Modifiers a Bonus Type, I'd say this is actually a valid question.

Nothing sad about it in my eyes. I think there should not be any untyped bonuses at all in the game. Or untyped damage, for that matter.


Chess Pwn wrote:
So Mark says that level isn't a source, at least for now.

It's good to know it isn't in the works as of his post. I'd have been happier to hear multi-sources are ONLY going to be used for abilities. I'd have been happier still to hear they are changing to types and dropping sources.

Sigh... I'd rather be arguing about the ruling VS the reasoning behind the ruling...


Zaister wrote:
wraithstrike wrote:
Sadly, given the new FAQ effectively gives Ability Score Modifiers a Bonus Type, I'd say this is actually a valid question.
Nothing sad about it in my eyes. I think there should not be any untyped bonuses at all in the game. Or untyped damage, for that matter.

Did you read the FAQ because it's only "effectively". It doesn't actually GIVE abilities a type. THAT would have made questions like this unneeded. The FAQ actually make the ability a source, giving an untyped bonus multiple sources. THAT'S the "Sadly" part.

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