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Looking into making a character focusing on buffing and wanted to look into using aid another. Came across these two things:
"Benefit: As a swift action, you can attempt the aid another action, granting your ally either a +1 bonus on his next attack roll or a +1 bonus to his AC."
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"Benefit: Whenever you successfully perform an aid another action, you grant your ally a +4 bonus instead of the normal +2."
How would these two things react with each other?
Swift Aid probably sets the bonus at +1 but I'm no expert on which one of those gets the "specific trumps general" title.
Investigator would work though, it gets a talent that allows you to aid another as a move and a swift action and you can get it sooner than swift aid.
Swift Aid says grant +1 as a swift action.
Helpful says grant +4 instead of the normal +2.
By the book, these two items have no interaction with one another. Swift Aid only grants a +1 bonus, and Helpful replaces the +2 bonus - which Swift Aid doesn't give. I don't think it would be an unreasonable house rule to say that using the two together gives a +2 bonus as a swift action (half the full bonus, which is what Swift Aid normally does), but I'd be sure to clear that with my DM first.
By the way, through some specific builds you can apply your aid another bonus to someone's caster level. which can get rather ridiculous if multiple aid another attempts by the same person stack with each other.
When I was seeing what the Ivestigator class could do, I got +20 something to someone's caster level at level 4 doing this.
Im not trying to push you into investigator, just trying to show that multiple aid another attempts in the same round can get rather crazy.
By the way, through some specific builds you can apply your aid another bonus to someone's caster level. which can get rather ridiculous if multiple aid another attempts by the same person stack with each other.
When I was seeing what the Ivestigator class could do, I got +20 something to someone's caster level at level 4 doing this.
Im not trying to push you into investigator, just trying to show that multiple aid another attempts in the same round can get rather crazy.
Yeah you have to get access to the coven witch hex to pump caster level. I also have a thread around here about aid another.
There is also a sorcerer bloodline that would let you do it too.
There is also a sorcerer bloodline that would let you do it too.
Well it's giving you sudo coven access.
Currently 5 classes through various archetypes give you access: Witch, Shaman, Summoner, Sorcerer, and Wizard.
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You might also want to check out this item. Very nice with the Swift Aid feat.
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Unnamed bonuses: they stack for a total of +5... you spend a standard and a swift... not bad for a minion or cohort type thing that follows you around...
They are unnamed but they are coming from the same source: Player A's Aid Another. Bonuses from the same source regardless of type typically don't stack. Is there something that makes them stack?
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Aid Another
In melee combat, you can help a friend attack or defend
by distracting or interfering with an opponent. If you’re
in position to make a melee attack on an opponent that is
engaging a friend in melee combat, you can attempt to aid
your friend as a standard action. You make an attack roll
against AC 10. If you succeed, your friend gains either a
+2 bonus on his next attack roll against that opponent or
a +2 bonus to AC against that opponent’s next attack (your
choice), as long as that attack comes before the beginning
of your next turn. Multiple characters can aid the same
friend, and similar bonuses stack.
You can also use this standard action to help a friend
in other ways, such as when he is affected by a spell, or to
assist another character’s skill check.
It can be argued that they do not stack, but there is a good chance that they do because the aid another rules are more specific than the stacking rules.
A DM could go either way on interpreting it, so it is always good to ask them beforehand.
Apart from a few specific builds, it is not too ridiculous to allow them to stack.
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Aid Another
In melee combat, you can help a friend attack or defend
by distracting or interfering with an opponent. If you’re
in position to make a melee attack on an opponent that is
engaging a friend in melee combat, you can attempt to aid
your friend as a standard action. You make an attack roll
against AC 10. If you succeed, your friend gains either a
+2 bonus on his next attack roll against that opponent or
a +2 bonus to AC against that opponent’s next attack (your
choice), as long as that attack comes before the beginning
of your next turn. Multiple characters can aid the same
friend, and similar bonuses stack.
You can also use this standard action to help a friend
in other ways, such as when he is affected by a spell, or to
assist another character’s skill check.It can be argued that they do not stack, but there is a good chance that they do because the aid another rules are more specific than the stacking rules.
A DM could go either way on interpreting it, so it is always good to ask them beforehand.
Apart from a few specific builds, it is not too ridiculous to allow them to stack.
The bolded part is two separate rules and have nothing to do with each other. 1 multiple people can aid the same person. 2 aid another bonuses stack. So it grants right there the stacking of aid another, bypassing the normal rules that says the same source doesn't stack.
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No love for the Honor Guard Cavalier and the Golden Legionnaire?