Swashbuckler - Mysterious Avenger Question


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Mysterious Avenger

Avenger Finesse wrote:

Avenger Finesse (Ex)

At 2nd level, a mysterious avenger gains all of the benefits of the swashbuckler's finesse class feature, and gains the ability to use a whip in place of a light or one-handed piercing melee weapon for all swashbuckler class features and deeds.

This ability alters swashbuckler finesse.

Now it says at 2nd level, but it says it alters Swashbuckler Finesse which is a 1st level ability.

So.. is this a mistake? Or do you have normal Swashbuckler Finesse for level 1 and then it changes in second level? I have never heard of a class feature being altered or changed or whatever after the feature is in effect.


considering that if it was intended for first level, they would've left out the whole "at x level", it is after all common for first level tradeoffs not to mention the level. So in light of that I can only say it is probably intended. And aside from it being odd, I don't see any reason to believe it to be a mistake.


you don't get finseese until 2nd level with mysterious avenger.

since the feature gets altered then you go with the altered text in full. So you don't get it until level 2

to better demonstrate what i mean, you actually have to read it from bottom to top:

at 1st level, your stat block says you get swashbuckler finesse.
your archetype indicates that this feature is altered.
you go to the archetype to read what was altered
and then you see:

at 2nd level you gain etcetcetc

it never says you gain anything in place of it in 1st level.


I also believe this is as intended, but, with the ACG who knows. I wouldn't hold my breathe for a FAQ on this, but if they did FAQ it I wouldn't be too surprised either.


it took them a month to simply say that pummelling is only for unarmed strikes.

i wouldn't hold my breath for a full faq to come early, especially seeing as there are literally dozens of issues with acg as it is written atm.


Oh when did they come out to say that?


yesterday:

Quote:

Latest FAQ 10/10 wrote:

Does Pummeling Style work with all weapons?
No, Pummeling Strike is intended to work with only unarmed strikes. Add the line. “You can only use Pummeling Style with unarmed strikes”. This will be reflected in future errata.
FAQed.


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As it is currently worded, I'm pretty certain you get Swashbuckler's Finesse at 1st, and then it gets upgraded to Avenger's Finesse at 2nd.

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