Does Brawler's Flurry Count as FoB for feat / PrC prerequisites?

[Lemmy]

Does Brawler's Flurry Count as Flurry of Blows for the purpose of fulfilling prerequisites?

[RumpinRufus]

No it does not. Some feats (e.g. Pummeling Style) require either Brawler's Flurry or Flurry of Blows.

[Lemmy]

Okay... Follow up question... Shouldn't it? There are a few feats that require FoB but don't mention Brawler's Flurry because there was no Brawler class when said feats were released.

[RumpinRufus]

Whether it should or not is up to your GM.

Which feats in particular are you wondering about?

[ohako]

I'm not Lemmy, but how about Feral Combat Training?

Ultimate Combat wrote:

Special: If you are a monk, you can use the selected natural weapon with your flurry of blows class feature.

Thanks to the brawler's martial training class feature, Feral Combat Training's Special section can read like this

Ultimate Combat plus Advanced Class Guide wrote:

Special: If you are a [brawler], you can use the selected natural weapon with your flurry of blows class feature.

Does martial training also give you this?

Ultimate Combat plus Advanced Class Guide plus squinting wrote:

Special: If you are a [brawler], you can use the selected natural weapon with your [brawler's flurry] class feature.

[ElementalXX]

Im guessing they intentionally worded brawlers flurry to make it not count as fob for whatever reasons

[Bronnwynn]

ohako wrote:

I'm not Lemmy, but how about Feral Combat Training?

Ultimate Combat wrote:

Special: If you are a monk, you can use the selected natural weapon with your flurry of blows class feature.

Thanks to the brawler's martial training class feature, Feral Combat Training's Special section can read like this

Ultimate Combat plus Advanced Class Guide wrote:

Special: If you are a [brawler], you can use the selected natural weapon with your flurry of blows class feature.

Does martial training also give you this?

Ultimate Combat plus Advanced Class Guide plus squinting wrote:

Special: If you are a [brawler], you can use the selected natural weapon with your [brawler's flurry] class feature.

Feral Combat training doesn't need a line saying it applies to Brawler's Flurry, as Brawler's flurry is a full round action that lets you attack as if you had TWF feats. Nothing more or less.

[chbgraphicarts]

Bronnwynn wrote:

ohako wrote:

I'm not Lemmy, but how about Feral Combat Training?

Ultimate Combat wrote:

Special: If you are a monk, you can use the selected natural weapon with your flurry of blows class feature.

Thanks to the brawler's martial training class feature, Feral Combat Training's Special section can read like this

Ultimate Combat plus Advanced Class Guide wrote:

Special: If you are a [brawler], you can use the selected natural weapon with your flurry of blows class feature.

Does martial training also give you this?

Ultimate Combat plus Advanced Class Guide plus squinting wrote:

Special: If you are a [brawler], you can use the selected natural weapon with your [brawler's flurry] class feature.

Feral Combat training doesn't need a line saying it applies to Brawler's Flurry, as Brawler's flurry is a full round action that lets you attack as if you had TWF feats. Nothing more or less.

Brawler's Flurry does already allow for Natural Attacks to be included, yes. The real reason to take Feral Combat Training is that it would allow your Natural Attacks to deal damage at the same rate as your Unarmed Strikes (which is to say A LOT).

[Rhatahema]

chbgraphicarts wrote:

Bronnwynn wrote:

ohako wrote:

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Feral Combat training doesn't need a line saying it applies to Brawler's Flurry, as Brawler's flurry is a full round action that lets you attack as if you had TWF feats. Nothing more or less.

Brawler's Flurry does already allow for Natural Attacks to be included, yes. The real reason to take Feral Combat Training is that it would allow your Natural Attacks to deal damage at the same rate as your Unarmed Strikes (which is to say A LOT).

Brawler's Flurry does not allow for natural attacks to be included:

Brawler's Flurry wrote:

A brawler with natural weapons can't use such weapons as part of brawler's flurry, nor can she make natural weapon attacks in addition to her brawler's flurry attacks.

I don't think Feral Combat Training would help with this. You'd still be prohibited from adding natural weapon attacks, and having the two-weapon fighting feat when attacking with that weapon wouldn't do any good either. According to the FAQ, you could use the natural weapon to make iterative/off-hand attacks through Flurry of Blows, but Brawler's Flurry is a distinct class feature with its own mechanics. So I think it would be a house rule to allow it to work similarly.