does his bite apply 1.5 times his strength mod or only 1 if used in a flurry. Please leave all questions on why I am asking this until after you have answered my question.
oh and let's throw a dragon style in there too.
argh...my head....
There are a lot of mechanics here (particularly if you also think of it with a race that gets 1.5x due to only having a bite)
My best guess would be that you treat it like you were using a 2 handed weapon (As in, the general rule is 1.5x str, but the monk specific rules applied in the speciifc case of a FCTed bite would over ride that to 1x). Still, it is a good deal, since you will get 1.5x power attack despite the change (as long as you treat it like how things work with 2 handed weapons in a flurry)
Throwing in dragon style is you just trying to mess with us though, isn't it?
A dragon's bite damage is not based on handedness, and it is handedness is the limiting factor for FoB, thus a dragon gets 1.5 Str for bite.
Bite: This is a primary attack that deals the indicated
damage plus 1-1/2 times the dragon’s Strength bonus (even
though it has more than one attack). A dragon’s bite attack
has reach as if the creature were one size category larger
A monk applies his full Strength bonus to his damage rolls for all successful attacks made with flurry of blows, whether the attacks are made with an off-hand or with a weapon wielded in both hands.
Dragon Style would do nothing as you are already getting 1.5 Str. DS is a replacement, not additive, ability. Dragon Ferocity on the other hand works exactly as advertised.
thanks for humoring me, I am in a campaign where i'm going to be playing as a dragon, and we're already gestalting, and while I wanted my character to be good I didn't want to break the game and I stumbled on this, and wondered if it worked (even if it did I had no intention of doing it. 2 times strength mod on a flurry seems insane)
How interesting, I asked basically this question yesterday about the dragon disciple bite and I had people saying you only get the 1 str
How interesting, I asked basically this question yesterday about the dragon disciple bite and I had people saying you only get the 1 str
Most of those people were ignoring the source of the increased damage from a dragon' (or Dragon Disciple's) bite.
How interesting, I asked basically this question yesterday about the dragon disciple bite and I had people saying you only get the 1 str
as far as I can see it, flurry is the general, but the bite is a specific attribute of that bite as opposed to handiness. the same way dragon styles 1.5 on the first attack works. otherwise dragon style wouldn't work during a flurry.
When used with a full round attack from other weapon natural weapons resort to secondary natural attacks so the 1.5 should not apply.
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yup. without taking feral combat training, you couldnt use your bite with a flurry of blows at all. Natural attacks cannot be used with a flurry of blows unless the feat is taken. If you also took feral combat training, I'd imagine you could then get your dragon bite (and the 1.5x str damage along with it) and use it with a flurry.
@wraith, no other weapons are being used, just bite.
@weables, yeah it was assumed I was using feral combat training.
@wraith, no other weapons are being used, just bite.
@weables, yeah it was assumed I was using feral combat training.
So you mean no flurry?
A dragon's bite damage is not based on handedness, and it is handedness is the limiting factor for FoB, thus a dragon gets 1.5 Str for bite.
Bite: This is a primary attack that deals the indicated
damage plus 1-1/2 times the dragon’s Strength bonus (even
though it has more than one attack). A dragon’s bite attack
has reach as if the creature were one size category largerA monk applies his full Strength bonus to his damage rolls for all successful attacks made with flurry of blows, whether the attacks are made with an off-hand or with a weapon wielded in both hands.
Dragon Style would do nothing as you are already getting 1.5 Str. DS is a replacement, not additive, ability. Dragon Ferocity on the other hand works exactly as advertised.
I only brought up handedness because of the problems with power attack.
It deals 1.5x extra damage on 2 handed weapons, weapons being 2 handed and natural attacks that get 1.5x str bonus (this is all in the exact same line in the feat). Whether the bite would still count as getting that bonus when it is under the effects of flurry's 'only get 1x str per attack'.
So I used the 2 handed weapon as a precedent since it is the closest example I have.
So you mean no flurry?@wraith, no other weapons are being used, just bite.
@weables, yeah it was assumed I was using feral combat training.
a flurry of bites...